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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And a lovely cyberface it is!

    Attacks are being made on Jews with Israeli policies being used as an excuse.

    I'm sure you feel strongly about Israeli policies, as most Europeans do, while at the the time paying less attention to the very serious and far greater problems elsewhere. No talk of boycotts of Iran or Syria, for example, or the Sudan.

    It seems Europeans who dislike Israeli policies, whatever they might be, have difficulty focusing on problems within their own countries and cultures. And if they aren't attacking Jews and Israel it's Americans and America. Yet they seldom ask themselves why.

    It's all Israel, all the time. To attack anyone but Jews or Americans would be racist, and Europeans would never admit to that.
    I'm more pro-Israel than you might think. I'm just not blind to some of the stunts they've pulled at times and I refuse to pretend they didn't happen or to excuse them. And I agree that some attacks on the Jewish people are transparently veiled in attacks on the State of Israel, but they are the exception and not the norm.
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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you've never called Conservatives racists?
    That is NOT what you said... you said

    This from the same guy that constantly accuses anyone that disagrees with Obama, as a racist.
    So show us where I constantly accuse anyone that disagrees with Obama of being a racist.

    Have I called some conservatives racists? Of course.. because in 99% of the time they were. So... back to you... Show us where I constantly call anyone who disagrees with Obama for racists.
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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's right! It's an attack on people who aren't Muslim.

    Muslims are way more PC, now days, than Jews.

    You can bet your butt that if Israel was a country in a sea of Jewish countries, this would be an attack on Muslims.
    Wow, I sure am glad you showed up to raise the level of this thread with on-topic posts rather than painting with a broad brush.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I'm more pro-Israel than you might think. I'm just not blind to some of the stunts they've pulled at times and I refuse to pretend they didn't happen or to excuse them. And I agree that some attacks on the Jewish people are transparently veiled in attacks on the State of Israel, but they are the exception and not the norm.
    Yes, but why the preoccupation with Israel, a peaceful country recognized by the UN over 60 years ago?

    I see far fewer complaints against the Palestinians, despite their terrorism and teaching of hatreds to their young.

    Part of the reason can be found in the charges in this trial under discussion. Muslims are saying similar things about Jews in Europe every day. It's all over youtube, for example.

    But why do we prosecute Geert Wilders and not the Muslims?

    The answer, I believe, is that we expect more from Jews, Christians, atheists and other non-Muslims than we do of Muslims. Until we expect the same from them as we do other members of society than the problems will increase and the split will grow.

    In the meanwhile we'll see more craziness like this.

    UK allows Muslim nurses to not wash to protect their “modesty” | EUTimes.net

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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    That is NOT what you said... you said



    So show us where I constantly accuse anyone that disagrees with Obama of being a racist.

    Have I called some conservatives racists? Of course.. because in 99% of the time they were. So... back to you... Show us where I constantly call anyone who disagrees with Obama for racists.
    Oh, so you admit to calling Conservatives racists?

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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I'm more pro-Israel than you might think. I'm just not blind to some of the stunts they've pulled at times and I refuse to pretend they didn't happen or to excuse them. And I agree that some attacks on the Jewish people are transparently veiled in attacks on the State of Israel, but they are the exception and not the norm.
    The only reason that Israel gets attacked, is because she is a Jewish state.

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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The only reason that Israel gets attacked, is because she is a Jewish state.
    There can be no other possible explanation.

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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There can be no other possible explanation.
    The only ME country that his hit this hard by Muslim terrorists, is Israel. Nope, it ain't rocket science.

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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

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    The answer, I believe, is that we expect more from Jews, Christians, atheists and other non-Muslims than we do of Muslims. Until we expect the same from them as we do other members of society than the problems will increase and the split will grow.

    In the meanwhile we'll see more craziness like this.

    UK allows Muslim nurses to not wash to protect their “modesty” | EUTimes.net
    I believe that's true. We do expect more from what we consider "superior" cultures. I make no apology for that. I make no apology for considering Islam in general, not just radical Islam, to be an inferior, unenlightened, seriously in need of reform belief system. There's some progress in some parts of the world, but it's slow and the religion keeps clashing with Western values. Where I disagree with most people is in that I believe the change must come from within Islam and not be forced by outsiders or it stands no chance of ever being in any way successful.
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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I believe that's true. We do expect more from what we consider "superior" cultures. I make no apology for that. I make no apology for considering Islam in general, not just radical Islam, to be an inferior, unenlightened, seriously in need of reform belief system. There's some progress in some parts of the world, but it's slow and the religion keeps clashing with Western values. Where I disagree with most people is in that I believe the change must come from within Islam and not be forced by outsiders or it stands no chance of ever being in any way successful.
    I agree but feel it has to be fought (if that is the right word) on two fronts. The NHS example is so silly but not that uncommon. We see that in Canada also, though perhaps not that extreme.

    It's important that we simply say that such behaviour is unacceptable and if their religion takes precedence over their work then that will have to be their decision. This 'modesty' situation is just another example of things getting out of hand, and thus breeding unnecessary resentments.

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