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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoop View Post
    Everyone lost in this case, regardless of the result. Muslims were ill represented by idiotic lawyers who were laughed out of court. The court lost a lot of credit knowing that one of the judges tried to influence a witness. Wilders lost a lot of time, not very useful during the election last year. The Netherlands in general, famous for its tolerance, lost credit.

    Moreover, this lawsuit wasn't the only disgraceful event teh last few years. Cartoonist have been arrested, plays have been banned, politicans called for a law on blasphemy days after the murder on Theo van Gogh. Journalists have been threatened, and even beat up by street thugs. It just goes on and on.
    I'm fully aware of the issues surrounding the case, thought it was worthless near kangaroo court level of waste of time... and I'm glad he won. For as bad as this all was... had he been found guilty would have been far, far worse.
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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I'm sorry if oyu don't think that the guy winning the case is a score for free speech. It's a step in the right direction. Sheesh, some people cannot be pleased.
    I'm among those who think the outcome of the trial was correct but the punishment for Wilders exercising his free speech is the process, just as it is here in Canada,

    Wilders had to hire lawyers. or at least someone had to pay for them, and he had to risk his name and reputation and llife, all because his right to speak out was removed.

    He has won it back again, however brief his victory might be ,but there is still a message sent that there are limits to what people can say, and that is dangerous. There is still a matter of the UN and what it's courts might decide. The fact that this was even brought to trial sends a chill, and that same chill is being felt throughout the western world.

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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

    It's probably a good thing he was acquitted, because as was said before, it would have made him a martyr and probably caused the opposite of what was intended, by strengthening his case.

    He should have a right to say what he says, so it was right he was legally acquitted. But that doesn't mean what he says and does is morally acceptable. He was rightfully acquitted legally, but that doesn't acquit him morally, IMO.

    To those of you Muslim-haters who condemn these laws against hate speech: You are aware that when there is no law against hate speech, you don't have much at hand legally to prosecute Muslim hate speech either, do you?
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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

    Good. I never really understood what was so bad about what he says or about that simplistic little movie he made a while back. I think like most populists he has very limited intellectual range, but last I checked that's not a crime.
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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    It's probably a good thing he was acquitted, because as was said before, it would have made him a martyr and probably caused the opposite of what was intended, by strengthening his case.

    He should have a right to say what he says, so it was right he was legally acquitted. But that doesn't mean what he says and does is morally acceptable. He was rightfully acquitted legally, but that doesn't acquit him morally, IMO.

    To those of you Muslim-haters who condemn these laws against hate speech: You are aware that when there is no law against hate speech, you don't have much at hand legally to prosecute Muslim hate speech either, do you?


    I never noticed any hatred for Muslims expressed though their tendency to violence in these matters was mentioned, In fact it is the Muslims who hate, and at a far greater extreme than anything Geert Wilders had to say. If you feel Wilders said something that was inaccurate there are forums where you can disagree without having to murder anyone.

    Keep in mind that is is Wilders, and many others, who are having to spend their lives under 24 hours guard, not any Muslims.

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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I'm sorry if oyu don't think that the guy winning the case is a score for free speech. It's a step in the right direction. Sheesh, some people cannot be pleased.
    This case is merely a victory for Geert Wilders. Not free speech. The only way this would have been a victory for free speech or in the right directions is if those idiotic hate speech laws were struck down down. Because if someone else decided to make a film that angered a protected class or says something that angers a protected class then they would have to go through the same thing Wilders's did and possible be incarcerated or pay a huge fine.
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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    To those of you Muslim-haters who condemn these laws against hate speech:
    I do not hate Muslims. Free speech also means unpopular speech. What if a man was arrested for saying Christianity is a fairy tale, for claiming creationism is a fairy tale, compared the bible to a Harry Potter Book, made a documentary against Christianity, or said Catholicism is really paganism(I say this myself all the time)?


    You are aware that when there is no law against hate speech, you don't have much at hand legally to prosecute Muslim hate speech either, do you?
    Oh no because you said that I am now no longer against hate speech laws(sarcasm).

    Has it ever occurred to you that governments can add businesses and themselves to the list of its illegal to offend groups of people? Because you can see a lot of hate in the eyes of protesters in one of those European countries any time the government wants to cut benefits. Free speech means there is no such thing as hate speech laws.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I never noticed any hatred for Muslims expressed though their tendency to violence in these matters was mentioned, In fact it is the Muslims who hate, and at a far greater extreme than anything Geert Wilders had to say. If you feel Wilders said something that was inaccurate there are forums where you can disagree without having to murder anyone.

    Keep in mind that is is Wilders, and many others, who are having to spend their lives under 24 hours guard, not any Muslims.
    I thanked you mainly for that last sentence, which I feel is important to keep in mind. Unfortunately, I have to admit we also see a rise in violence against muslims and mosques the last few years.

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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This case is merely a victory for Geert Wilders. Not free speech. The only way this would have been a victory for free speech or in the right directions is if those idiotic hate speech laws were struck down down. Because if someone else decided to make a film that angered a protected class or says something that angers a protected class then they would have to go through the same thing Wilders's did and possible be incarcerated or pay a huge fine.
    That's what happened to Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff in Austria and Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn here in Canada. It is a problem facing all the democracies where the politicians, fearing potential conflicts, feel that silencing one side until the other adjusts to Western ways will solve these problems. This is not only short term thinking , it flies in the face of all that has made the the western democracies great. And of course Holland was one of those democracies which contributed so much to free thought and speech, attracting philosophers from all over Europe.

    Anyone who feels they can compromise free speech, however temporarily is horribly wrong. We have seen in the past what great harms these actions might do.

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    Re: Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    You are aware that when there is no law against hate speech, you don't have much at hand legally to prosecute Muslim hate speech either, do you?
    The problem here isn't in the law, but in the one sided nature with which the law is applied. The European courts would be absolutely tied up with cases if Muslims were held to the same standard regarding hate speech as are native Europeans.

    The double standards are glaring.
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