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    Re: Key republican bolts from debt ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Because Biden has been involved in every single deficit reduction bill for the past 35 years he's been a senator.

    And again, this isn't about raising taxes. It's about closing loopholes. Stop being stupid & read the topic.
    I guess you got 'baited' into that personal attack, huh

    In any case... after claiming no one would see a single dime of increased taxes during his presidency, guess what Obama's solution for fixing the deficit is...

    yup.

    tax increases.

    Obama: Republican Leaders Must Bend on Taxes - NYTimes.com

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    Re: Key republican bolts from debt ceiling talks

    For the fourteen thousandth time now, tax increases do not simply mean increase in tax rates. Anything that would increase revenue is a tax increase.

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    Re: Key republican bolts from debt ceiling talks

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    Debt ceiling: Key Republican bolts debt ceiling talks - Jun. 23, 2011



    I'm sorry but this is absolutely ridiculous. Democrats control the senate and the White House. That's 2/3. You guys control 1. We already have agreed to cutting medicare and other entitlements, and you won't even give us tax increases in the form of cutting loopholes and subsidies? Is the GOP kidding?
    You don't need any tax increases, simply cut the hundreds of billions of of dollars in waste, fraud and abuse. I simply can't understand anyone making a good case for raising taxes when the Waste, Fraud and Abuse in Government continues at that level. It makes no sense at all.
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    Re: Key republican bolts from debt ceiling talks

    Waste fraud and abuse is nothing in the long term. Medicare/medicaid/social security will dig us into a ditch no matter if we cut discretionary spending to 1%.

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    Re: Key republican bolts from debt ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Waste fraud and abuse is nothing in the long term. Medicare/medicaid/social security will dig us into a ditch no matter if we cut discretionary spending to 1%.
    Go to the link in my post. Also there is $60 to $90 billion dollars in Maedicare fraud every year. If they can't get a handle on that kind of money going right down the rat hole, they don't need any more money.
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    Re: Key republican bolts from debt ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Go to the link in my post. Also there is $60 to $90 billion dollars in Maedicare fraud every year. If they can't get a handle on that kind of money going right down the rat hole, they don't need any more money.
    right......the very corporations and individuals that no one wants to raise taxes on defraud medicare. ain't america grand?

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Key republican bolts from debt ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    right......the very corporations and individuals that no one wants to raise taxes on defraud medicare. ain't america grand?
    Oh, you think that only corps. and the "evil rich" defraud these programs? that's a hoot!


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    Re: Key republican bolts from debt ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    For the fourteen thousandth time now, tax increases do not simply mean increase in tax rates. Anything that would increase revenue is a tax increase.
    So not spending as much is a tax increase huh?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Key republican bolts from debt ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    right......the very corporations and individuals that no one wants to raise taxes on defraud medicare. ain't america grand?
    Then put a stop to it! How and can resonable person expect to ask others to pay more money in taxes when hundreds of billions of tax dollars disappear down the rathole of fraud and abuse? Please tell that to the American taxpayer.

    "Well we understand we are wasting hundreds of Billions of dollars on waste, fraud and abuse, but we just don't have enough anymore. We need more money from YOU while we ignore the waste." Please take that to the American taxpayer in this economic climate.
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    Re: Key republican bolts from debt ceiling talks

    Unfortunately billions of dollars of waste is not the solution to this problem. Do you have a point that waste and stupid programs need to be cut? Sure. But the idea that they actually make up a big percentage of our deficit woes is laughable. Entitlements need to be seriously reformed. They are growing out of control and they are unsustainable in their current form. Cutting waste could be a big part of taking care of that problem, but it can't be the sole solution. I heard a democratic congresswoman talking on Elliot Spitzer's program a few weeks ago and she said that medicare can become solvent if you cut waste. Is she kidding? Even Spitzer said that's retarded.

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