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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Actually, deaths, HIV, and prositution related to illegal drug use all declined over a 5 year period.
    Right, but was that because of smack being legal? Don't know. Have you ever dealt with a heroin addict before? I mean coke, sure, I'd be ok with legalizing that - because hey, even the feds say it isn't that bad. It's a schedule 2.

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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Right, but was that because of smack being legal? Don't know. Have you ever dealt with a heroin addict before? I mean coke, sure, I'd be ok with legalizing that - because hey, even the feds say it isn't that bad. It's a schedule 2.
    My mother uses both Heroin and Crack in significant quantities. She is 5'2", 80 pounds, and has dentures because all of her natural teeth rotted and fell out. She almost died last year because of a bowel impaction related to her drug use. She is a toxic person, a hurtful person, and abusive person, and fits the definition of addict to a T. I grew up around her and the people she used with from the ages of 7 to 15. I know all too well how addicts live, what they do, and what they're willing to do to get their fix.

    I also know the psychology of prohibition, and how poorly it works. Addicts will be addicts regardless, but in decriminalizing drugs we open pathways to better, more successful,a nd often cheaper means of handling them. Portugal still punishes those who sell drugs, but those who use drugs aren't treated as criminals. They're offered aid...help to pursue a different path.
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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    if you've ever seen/dealt with a smack addict
    I know more about drug addiction than most people. Three of my brothers have been addicted to crack, heroine, and meth, and I can tell you that prohibition didn't help them at all. It took their drug problem and artificially turned it into a criminal problem. Ideally, nobody would ever use drugs. It seems like you believe prohibition is doing something to achieve that goal, but it's not.

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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Do you think the logic that applies to marijuana doesn't apply to heroin and other "hard" drugs? Prohibition creates a black market, it doesn't matter what substance is being prohibited. And criminals will happily step up and fill the void created by prohibition, and they will use violence to defend their business.
    I haven't said it doesn't apply to heroin. I admit, I'm illogical. I don't want to see heroin legalized, nor cocaine. I have no defense for that opinion, only that they are hard drugs and having seen it for myself, the downside of pot compared to the downside of heroin and coke, is much less devastating.

    Pot is a gateway drug to harder drugs because dealers often traffic in more than one drug and want to increase their sales. If pot is legal, does it follow then that less people would be exposed to the availability to harder drugs, and that possibly that lessened availability lowers the number of new addicts? Legalizing heroin would nullify that effect.

    Again, I realize there is probably a fallacy to that argument, but I wanted to at least attempt to reply to you.

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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I bet she has a great personality.
    Good...want to be my wingman? cuz her girlfriend is freqin HOT...

    I actually would bet she DOES (the smile is nice!) and I dont mind a little meat on the bones. Just wish she would wear a shirt that fits and the thong...I mean...come on...that thing is LOST in there...

    Wasnt posting it to knock heavy girls BTW...just in response to the moronic "marijuana is for smelly stringy haired hippy" post.

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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    I think that a licensing system for the "hard" [alkaloids] drugs would be somewhat useful. Require registration in a publicly available database, a licensing fee, and a test--all per drug eg one license for opiates, one license for cocaine, one license for speed, etc

    Then, there's an educational process in place to pass the test [even if it's entirely self directed]. It becomes a matter of public record. It generates some amount of income.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Good...want to be my wingman? cuz her girlfriend is freqin HOT...
    She's pretty cute all on her own
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    I know about what Portugal did. I didn't see the article but I am aware that they've decriminalized everything from pot to smack. And I know use went down within teens, but again, it did infact go up in regular adults. I really just do not want smack to be something purchasable on the street. Americans are a lot different from Portuguese.
    In my opinion, pot should be legalized and taxed. Ideally at the state level, with the feds staying out of it as the bill in question suggests. This allows different approaches to be taken to see what works best.

    As far as harder drugs are concerned, decriminalization of use but not sales is probably best. It keeps addicts and their behavior "in the light", if that makes sense. Lets everybody see how the drug affects them/their lives, lets those close to them help because there's less reason to hide their use.

    When I was a kid and just started smoking pot, one of my friend's mom's was THE white heroin dealer in San Diego. New York mob family. Seeing those people in their addiction kept ALL of us away from it because we didn't want to be that way forever. And heroin is forever.

    The only other thing I really support is objective, honest information about drugs for our kids and everyone else.

    I have met more than one person who, after discovering that pot didn't drive them insane as they had been told, screwed themselves good with some other drug.
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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    Having it illegal to sell drugs is one of the main reasons for why prohibition causes problems instead of solving them. Mexico could decriminalize all drugs, but the cartels would still be in charge of the market. As long as it's illegal to sell drugs, the market belongs to thugs. Decriminalization is a step in the right direction, but it's only half of the solution.

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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Is legalizing guns really that important. They're obviously not hard to get!

    It makes no sense to spend billions of dollars jailing people for using a substance less harmful than alcohol or tobacco.

    im not sure where you're from but guns are legal, at least they are here................and can you please provide your source that proves pot is less harmful than booze or cigarettes

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