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Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

I personally think that this country is not ready to see hard drugs legalized. I don't think we want a world where people can go out and buy something like heroin with ease. Heroin is not like pot. You can't just talk to any idiot you're friends with to get your hands on smack.
This country may not be "ready" but that doesn't mean it's not the right answer. It doesn't matter how dangerous a drug is, when you make that drug illegal you make it more dangerous, not less. Prohibition is also responsible for creating new and more dangerous drugs that wouldn't exist otherwise. For example, crack wouldn't exist if it weren't for the War on Drugs. The WoD made cocaine so expensive that people invented crack as a cheap alternative. Now we have another drug that's even worse than the original. For a while there, head shops were selling synthetic marijuana, which you can overdose and die from, all because the relatively harmless real thing is treated like nuclear radiation. Prohibition doesn't solve problems, it creates them. Regardless of what drug is prohibited.
 
Counseling...therapy...but not a rehab program. No detox required for marijuana use and he wont stop without being able to understand why he continues to use if it is screwing up his life. Marijuana cessation programs arent all that effective in my experience.

To American-and no, dont feel compelled to answer...its your family business...
...but...Out of curiosity...how is 'marijuana' screwing up the boys life? is it the marijuana or is it his other life choices? Just curious...not prying. I walked through a glass door when I was a kid stoned out of my mind. I was a regular user but I would be dishonest if I said it was the drugs that were doing it to me.

It's never just one thing.
 
This country may not be "ready" but that doesn't mean it's not the right answer. It doesn't matter how dangerous a drug is, when you make that drug illegal you make it more dangerous, not less. Prohibition is also responsible for creating new and more dangerous drugs that wouldn't exist otherwise. For example, crack wouldn't exist if it weren't for the War on Drugs. The WoD made cocaine so expensive that people invented crack as a cheap alternative. Now we have another drug that's even worse than the original. For a while there, head shops were selling synthetic marijuana, which you can overdose and die from, all because the relatively harmless real thing is treated like nuclear radiation. Prohibition doesn't solve problems, it creates them. Regardless of what drug is prohibited.

I'm sorry but you still are not going to get me to support legalizing really hard drugs. Let's see what happens when we reschedule Marijuana and let the states come up with their own statutes regarding it. I don't think I want to live in a country where I can go to the gas station and buy smack, the worst drug currently around in my view, if you've ever seen/dealt with a smack addict, and then just shoot it at home, and buy more as needed.
 
I'm sorry but you still are not going to get me to support legalizing really hard drugs. Let's see what happens when we reschedule Marijuana and let the states come up with their own statutes regarding it. I don't think I want to live in a country where I can go to the gas station and buy smack, the worst drug currently around in my view, if you've ever seen/dealt with a smack addict, and then just shoot it at home, and buy more as needed.

Did you happen to read the article I posted regarding the decriminalization of drugs in Portugal?
 
I know about what Portugal did. I didn't see the article but I am aware that they've decriminalized everything from pot to smack. And I know use went down within teens, but again, it did infact go up in regular adults. I really just do not want smack to be something purchasable on the street. Americans are a lot different from Portuguese.
 
Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank to jointly offer bill to end war on weed

Anyone think this has a chance of passing?



Ron Paul, Barney Frank to jointly offer bill to end war on weed - latimes.com
Congressmen Ron Paul, Barney Frank and others will introduce legislature Thursday that aims to end a major part of the war on drugs -- namely the battle against marijuana.

Reps. Paul (R-Texas) and Frank (D-Mass.), though technically on opposite sides of the aisle, have often spoken out against the war on drugs and will propose a bill "tomorrow ending the federal war on marijuana and letting states legalize, regulate, tax, and control marijuana without federal interference," according to a statement from the Marijuana Policy Project via Reason.

The bill would allow the individual states to decide how they want to deal with pot. Currently the federal government bogarts U.S. law, oftentimes arresting owners and employees of medical marijuana facilities, for example, who thought they were operating legally under city, county and/or state laws.

"The legislation would limit the federal government’s role in marijuana enforcement to cross-border or inter-state smuggling, allowing people to legally grow, use or sell marijuana in states where it is legal," according to the MPP statement.

Oh, well scratch me trying it when it becomes legal. My backwards ass state full of libertarian retards that don't know what small government is if it bit them in the ass would never allow something as dangerous as weed to be legal. ****, I can't even buy alcohol on Sundays.
 
Lets just stick to beer bellies like good ol 'mericans???

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I bet she has a great personality.
 
I know about what Portugal did. I didn't see the article but I am aware that they've decriminalized everything from pot to smack. And I know use went down within teens, but again, it did infact go up in regular adults. I really just do not want smack to be something purchasable on the street. Americans are a lot different from Portuguese.

Actually, deaths, HIV, and prositution related to illegal drug use all declined over a 5 year period.
 
Actually, deaths, HIV, and prositution related to illegal drug use all declined over a 5 year period.

Right, but was that because of smack being legal? Don't know. Have you ever dealt with a heroin addict before? I mean coke, sure, I'd be ok with legalizing that - because hey, even the feds say it isn't that bad. It's a schedule 2.
 
Right, but was that because of smack being legal? Don't know. Have you ever dealt with a heroin addict before? I mean coke, sure, I'd be ok with legalizing that - because hey, even the feds say it isn't that bad. It's a schedule 2.

My mother uses both Heroin and Crack in significant quantities. She is 5'2", 80 pounds, and has dentures because all of her natural teeth rotted and fell out. She almost died last year because of a bowel impaction related to her drug use. She is a toxic person, a hurtful person, and abusive person, and fits the definition of addict to a T. I grew up around her and the people she used with from the ages of 7 to 15. I know all too well how addicts live, what they do, and what they're willing to do to get their fix.

I also know the psychology of prohibition, and how poorly it works. Addicts will be addicts regardless, but in decriminalizing drugs we open pathways to better, more successful,a nd often cheaper means of handling them. Portugal still punishes those who sell drugs, but those who use drugs aren't treated as criminals. They're offered aid...help to pursue a different path.
 
if you've ever seen/dealt with a smack addict
I know more about drug addiction than most people. Three of my brothers have been addicted to crack, heroine, and meth, and I can tell you that prohibition didn't help them at all. It took their drug problem and artificially turned it into a criminal problem. Ideally, nobody would ever use drugs. It seems like you believe prohibition is doing something to achieve that goal, but it's not.
 
Do you think the logic that applies to marijuana doesn't apply to heroin and other "hard" drugs? Prohibition creates a black market, it doesn't matter what substance is being prohibited. And criminals will happily step up and fill the void created by prohibition, and they will use violence to defend their business.

I haven't said it doesn't apply to heroin. I admit, I'm illogical. I don't want to see heroin legalized, nor cocaine. I have no defense for that opinion, only that they are hard drugs and having seen it for myself, the downside of pot compared to the downside of heroin and coke, is much less devastating.

Pot is a gateway drug to harder drugs because dealers often traffic in more than one drug and want to increase their sales. If pot is legal, does it follow then that less people would be exposed to the availability to harder drugs, and that possibly that lessened availability lowers the number of new addicts? Legalizing heroin would nullify that effect.

Again, I realize there is probably a fallacy to that argument, but I wanted to at least attempt to reply to you.
 
I bet she has a great personality.

Good...want to be my wingman? cuz her girlfriend is freqin HOT...

I actually would bet she DOES (the smile is nice!) and I dont mind a little meat on the bones. Just wish she would wear a shirt that fits and the thong...I mean...come on...that thing is LOST in there...

Wasnt posting it to knock heavy girls BTW...just in response to the moronic "marijuana is for smelly stringy haired hippy" post.
 
I think that a licensing system for the "hard" [alkaloids] drugs would be somewhat useful. Require registration in a publicly available database, a licensing fee, and a test--all per drug eg one license for opiates, one license for cocaine, one license for speed, etc

Then, there's an educational process in place to pass the test [even if it's entirely self directed]. It becomes a matter of public record. It generates some amount of income.
 
I know about what Portugal did. I didn't see the article but I am aware that they've decriminalized everything from pot to smack. And I know use went down within teens, but again, it did infact go up in regular adults. I really just do not want smack to be something purchasable on the street. Americans are a lot different from Portuguese.

In my opinion, pot should be legalized and taxed. Ideally at the state level, with the feds staying out of it as the bill in question suggests. This allows different approaches to be taken to see what works best.

As far as harder drugs are concerned, decriminalization of use but not sales is probably best. It keeps addicts and their behavior "in the light", if that makes sense. Lets everybody see how the drug affects them/their lives, lets those close to them help because there's less reason to hide their use.

When I was a kid and just started smoking pot, one of my friend's mom's was THE white heroin dealer in San Diego. New York mob family. Seeing those people in their addiction kept ALL of us away from it because we didn't want to be that way forever. And heroin is forever.

The only other thing I really support is objective, honest information about drugs for our kids and everyone else.

I have met more than one person who, after discovering that pot didn't drive them insane as they had been told, screwed themselves good with some other drug.
 
Having it illegal to sell drugs is one of the main reasons for why prohibition causes problems instead of solving them. Mexico could decriminalize all drugs, but the cartels would still be in charge of the market. As long as it's illegal to sell drugs, the market belongs to thugs. Decriminalization is a step in the right direction, but it's only half of the solution.
 
Is legalizing guns really that important. They're obviously not hard to get!

It makes no sense to spend billions of dollars jailing people for using a substance less harmful than alcohol or tobacco.


im not sure where you're from but guns are legal, at least they are here................and can you please provide your source that proves pot is less harmful than booze or cigarettes
 
im not sure where you're from but guns are legal, at least they are here................and can you please provide your source that proves pot is less harmful than booze or cigarettes


How many people have died in an overdose from pot vs. alcohol?
 
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and can you please provide your source that proves pot is less harmful than booze or cigarettes
Wow, I didn't realize there were still people out there who don't realize this. Just, WOW.
 
This is long overdue. Making Marijuana illegal was based on lies and racism going back to the era of William Randolph Hearst who went to war against Hemp because he owned paper mills and timber. He also claimed that Mexicans went on a killing spree while high on pot. It never happened but the facts didn't count.

In 1937 we got the BS for all this time and the wacko movie Reefer Madeness which I was shown in High School in the 60s and thought it was a comedy and didn't know anything about Pot at the time.

I have since learned the facts, and it is why I think that lying about Pot has brought a lot of young people into addictions with really dangerous drugs because people think, they lied about Pot did they lie about Cocaine, and other drugs too.

We have lied about sex too, and I think kids find out about the lies and all hell breaks loose,

Have we ever agreed before? But I suppose if Ron Paul and Barney Frank can co-sponsor a bill, we can find some things to agree upon.

And REEFER MADNESS is one of the most awesome pieces of bad cinema ever made. I love that movie.
 
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