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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Growing tobacco is pretty easy too.
    Out of curiosity, how many tobacco plants would one need to grow to support a pack a day habit? Do you know? I have no idea.
    The impression that I have, erroneous though it may be, is that tobacco is used in a larger quantity per user than pot is.
    How many plants/how large of a plot does a "average" pot smoker need to meet their own needs? Just asking in case you know.

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    You can grow smokable pot pretty easily. To grow something of high quality that tastes good and does not require smoking lots of extra plant matter is a little more difficult on a small scale and you would not be able to do it very affordably.
    About the bolded part, do they do that to pot? Smoke it that way like teas and whatnot?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I imagine costs would go down so far that most people would continue to be consumers just because they would find it cheaper and easier to acquire then they have today.
    I have never grown an orchard myself. We do grow some tomatoes, squash, etc sometimes. But mostly I buy produce from someone else who grew it.
    We are big on growing our own herbs though. It's great to have basil and mint leaves that were on the plant 5 minutes ago. Very aromatic.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I have never grown an orchard myself. We do grow some tomatoes, squash, etc sometimes. But mostly I buy produce from someone else who grew it.
    We are big on growing our own herbs though. It's great to have basil and mint leaves that were on the plant 5 minutes ago. Very aromatic.
    tomatoes don't count. I don't know what those things in the store are, but they aren't tomatoes!

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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    suit yourself.

    losses aren't a guarantee, so it doesn't matter in the aggregate.

    The reason it is called black market is that it operates in the dark.

    and other pointless statements...

    If this were actually true, people wouldn't take the risk. some people do profit heavily, which is the primary motivation that causes the drug war to not prevail.
    Do you not even know the difference between micro and macro level economics? The fact that one person can make money does not indicate that it is a sustainable or profitable market at the macro level.

    Depends on the market dynamics. you keep saying free market, but tobacco and alcohol are hardly a free market.
    The difference in those free markets and black markets are clear. If you rob a cigarette dealer he will call the cops on you. A black market dealer does not have that luxury and that costs him greatly. He also has to worry about avoiding the police where a cigarrette dealer can carry a sign around and let everybody know that he has goods for sale.

    you think heroin would be introduced freely into the market?
    It has been introduced freely into the market. What are you talking about?

    I think the funny thing though, is you aren't talking about a market bubble specific to the topic at hand.

    Yes, the FED as a whole creates bubbles by manipulating interest rates. Whether pot is legal or not, that is something the Fed is going to continue to do. Why that even factors into concerns about drug policy is beyond me.

    I assumed you were actually talking about something relevant to this issue and the artificial bubbles created by government intervention in the market.
    I made a comment about what I believe the biggest negative of legalization might be. I clearly stated that I am all for legalization. In response you pretended to be able to school me on economics and ended up making a complete ... of yourself by displaying your vast ignorance. Is there anything else I can help you to understand?

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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Do you not even know the difference between micro and macro level economics? The fact that one person can make money does not indicate that it is a sustainable or profitable market at the macro level.
    I know enough about history, to know that organized mobs made a ton of money on illicit trade.

    It's late, and I have grown tired of your antics. I ultimately see your original point - you used this thread as a precursor for a general rant about the fed.

    I may or may not see the point tomorrow to actually bother looking at the remainder of your "contributions"

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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post

    About the bolded part, do they do that to pot? Smoke it that way like teas and whatnot?
    I don't know what you are referring to with the teas. What I was referring to was that what gets you high in marijuana are those areas saturated with trichomes and resins. The rest is just plant matter. If you are smoking high quality weed you don't have to smoke much plant matter. It's just way more enjoyable to smoke a little sweet bud than have to puff away on some mid or low grade weed. It is easy to grow mid an low grade weed, but the higher quality weed requires a bit of work and investment. With an econmy of any sort of scale though the costs is still very small. So, it probably will not pay to grow your own. There could be a lot of microgrowers, though.

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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    I like how people that don't smoke pot, or haven't even dealt with what they are talking about, think they know what they are talking about. First off, most of the pot in the US isn't from Mexico. The pot would be in such poor quality, only an idiot would buy it. Most of the pot comes from California. My dealer would get his pot by mail. If pot were to be legalized, it would be taxed just like anything else, and we wouldn't have to spend the resources to enforce it anymore. That means we as a society and tax payer will not only save money but make it as well. All the other arguments about....I don't even know what, are just blind attempts to prove the other side is wrong. I can't even follow the logic it is so bad.

    Why do you automatically assume that when someone is under the influence of marijuana, they are automatically at fault for an accident? Have you smoked pot? Have you driven stoned? I'm telling everyone this straight up. If you gave me a bag of weed and then told me to drive, I will never get into an accident. NEVER. Even if I were to encounter a drunk driver (as I have in the past while stoned) I would just ease on the brakes and let the idiot drive on by.

    Now my stance is on legalizing marijuana, but that doesn't not mean it isn't a drug. I essentially wasted eight years of my life smoking pot. I learned a lot, and a lot of it I learned the hard way, but it was lessons that needed to be learned. Because pot is a weak drug, is probably why I think it might be one of the most dangerous. If you go into a rehabilitation center, and you talk to every coke, crack, heroin, opium, meth, and pill popper, they will all say they started on weed and booze. This is why the whole Gateway Drug phenomenon was started by the government, because they noticed that occurring. Unfortunately, I feel the gateway drug concept only applies to a certain population of people, the people with very heavy addictive personalities.

    Everybody's brain is different. Some people when they smoke pot, get the munchies. Some, don't. Some do, but it might be a couple of weeks till they experience it. Some will be auditory stoners (me) and some would be visual. Some would be taste, and some would be touch. Some brains are way more addictive than others. Some brains, the moment they get that first high or those first couple of blunts, they are off to the races on getting high as much as they can as frequently as they can. Then, eventually pot won't really cut it anymore, and they graduate to a more potent high.

    Some brains, as I know one personally, smoke pot their entire lives. THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, is a weak acid. That basically means there is small disassociation when the THC reacts with the neurons. This is another reason why pot is dangerous as this man is a testimony to. He smoke pot daily since the 60's, and I can tell you personally he is a burn out now. He can barely keep a conversation. That is because even though THC reacts just a little tiny bit with the neurons, there is still a reaction. So over the years, his neurons has steadily deteriorated.

    So I have said in the past, based on our current laws in place, there is no reason why marijuana should remain illegal. Alcohol is way more toxic than weed, as well as tobacco. With that said, marijuana is still a drug and there are dire consequences if a person decides to go that route in life. This is why drugs are a public health issue, not a legal or domestic one. Sending a pot head into jail isn't helping him. What would help him would be to send him into a rehabilitation center where addiction is best understood. Yes, there will be addicts who will not benefit from rehabilitation, and they will probably eventually die. However, it is worth to have these rehabilitation centers for the minority few that are able to benefit from it, like myself. Going to drug rehabilitation was one of the best things that has ever happened to me, and I learned the most in rehab at one time than at any point in my life.

    I hope this post gives you a more accurate perception of drugs and its effects on society. Cops should pull people over for being tired if they are pulling people over for driving and being stoned. It really is that simple. That is why when you see a police officer arrest someone for possession of marijuana, you should point and laugh at him, because he thinks he is helping society, but really he is just making life harder for the stoner. He isn't helping anyone.

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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I know enough about history, to know that organized mobs made a ton of money on illicit trade.
    But rarely established wealth unless they graduated into legal markets.

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    It's late, and I have grown tired of your antics. I ultimately see your original point - you used this thread as a precursor for a general rant about the fed.

    I may or may not see the point tomorrow to actually bother looking at the remainder of your "contributions"
    My point was always clear. Legalization will lead to lots of money being made in a booming and emerging market and the only real concern is that it might become a bubble.

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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I know enough about history, to know that organized mobs made a ton of money on illicit trade.
    Just to make the point that you continue to evade. Who is wealthier, the Busch (substitute Coors or any of the dozens of others) family or the Capone's? You don't seem to be able to understand that income does not equal wealth.

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    Re: Ron Paul, Barney Frank team up to legalize marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    Some brains, as I know one personally, smoke pot their entire lives. THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, is a weak acid. That basically means there is small disassociation when the THC reacts with the neurons.
    So thc directly crosses the blood brain barrier is what you're saying?
    I may be wrong.

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