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Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

Whovian said:
yup.

But at this point, I don't give a **** who's fault it is...

****ING FIX IT!

And THAT, my dear PB, is the responsibility of the current president and his administration.
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The only thing that is going to fix it is the supreme court quickly ruling on CongressCare and increased spending by every day folks. In the latter case the government can either give people money every month, create jobs themselves (national works projects etc), or some other "stimulas" type program. However, the better solution to the problem lies in all companies sharing their profits with their lower rung employees. As I said in a previous post

No, those are part of the operating cost. Profit is determined after that. The only people being given a large single share in profits are CEOs, which is counter productive. For the most part they already make a crap load of money and they aren't likely to reinvest that money into the company. But lets look at it from a macro-economic scale. What is better for society as a whole, the top 20% getting more money, or the bottom 80% getting more money?

Now lets look at it on a micro-economic scale. Lets say a company makes high end cars and gets enough profit they feel the CEO should get 150million. He gets that money, but instead of keeping it all, he gives half it away, evenly, to 1000 employees. Those employees can now afford the car the company makes and some of them buy it, making the company more profitable.
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ADG said:
The sad part is that you think this all happened under Obama. Or are you simply blaming Obama due to some sort of partisan Red-Blue Summer Camp color war mindset.
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You CANT be that ideologically blind can you? How many times have I said I blame Bush, Obama, democrats AND republicans? in THIS THREAD even. Ive said COUNTLESS times...I was so disgusted by Bush's fiscal irresponsibility I left the republican party in 2003. Sad??? yeah...I think you got it...
 
What if...? said:
So I take it your link to the post-autistic economics site in another thread was facetious, then. Or are you just having a had time deciding where to "draw the line"?

Pretty disingenuous to pretend that large scale economic problems can be solved by new management immediately
That there are no other factors involved.
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Truly. I don't understand why people come here as if they've made a solid point expecting any kind of problem of this size to have disappeared even in one whole term. Had this been a Republican in office the tone would have been, "Hey Libs, why don't you quit bad mouthing the President until you been in his shoes. He just got in office so chill out."

Really, it seems all some people do is search for articles that agree with what their thinking and post it to heckle others with.
 
What if...? said:
So I take it your link to the post-autistic economics site in another thread was facetious, then. Or are you just having a had time deciding where to "draw the line"?

Pretty disingenuous to pretend that large scale economic problems can be solved by new management immediately
That there are no other factors involvd.
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My bad, I think it was Mach with that link.
 
oh goody - we get to trade insults - from Whovian

you suck at this...
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oh my - now I guess you suck even more because you fail to see that improvement is improvement is improvement and so will most American voters. The fact is that when Bush left, there was fear of another Great Depression and it never happened. That radical increase in the growth of unemployment leveled off and has been reversed.

Yes, the odor of bunring dog crap still permeates the air and it was caused by the flaming bags of dog poop left on the White House steps by Bush and his policies. But in the end, the house did NOT catch fire and the people know that the worse is behind us and progress has been made.

Oh - when we trade insults next time, the "you suck " stuff is pretty pedestrian. Can you come up with some wittier and cleverer stuff please?
 
Whovian said:
They don't care... they are all in denial...
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Queen of Denial
 
samsmart said:
That more people would have been worse off under McCain/Palin.
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Other than your kneejerk need to say that, what do you base that on? I mean,..since all Obama has done is continue the Bush policies...

And BTW...as your little 'liker' would GLADLY point out to you...a president McCain couldnt possibly have an impact on the economy. INTERESTING that he 'liked' your comments since he so very much disagrees with them...
 
VanceMack said:
Other than your kneejerk need to say that, what do you base that on? I mean,..since all Obama has done is continue the Bush policies...
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What Bush policies did he continue?

Oh the tax cuts for the rich which conservatives insisted on.
 
Boo Radley said:
It's who want government to fix it, conservatives and liberals alike, who government as being able to fix it who are to blame.
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dept chair, huh?

LOL!
 
Animus said:
What Bush policies did he continue?

Oh the tax cuts for the rich which conservatives insisted on.
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Tax cuts...bailouts...stimulus...he's a friggin GENIUS! Spend more money...drive the country deeper into debt...AWESOME!!!
 
VanceMack said:
Tax cuts...bailouts...stimulus...he's a friggin GENIUS! Spend more money...drive the country deeper into debt...AWESOME!!!
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Which candidate wasn't going to do this? How many voted against it? How many would have if they could have actually stopped it?
 
VanceMack said:
Other than your kneejerk need to say that, what do you base that on? I mean,..since all Obama has done is continue the Bush policies...

And BTW...as your little 'liker' would GLADLY point out to you...a president McCain couldnt possibly have an impact on the economy. INTERESTING that he 'liked' your comments since he so very much disagrees with them...
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it's only Republican presidents who effect the economy, and only negatively... haven't you been paying attention?
 
Whovian said:
it's only Republican presidents who effect the economy, and only negatively... haven't you been paying attention?
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I keep telling no president control's the economy. ;)
 
VanceMack said:
Other than your kneejerk need to say that, what do you base that on? I mean,..since all Obama has done is continue the Bush policies...
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VanceMack said:
Tax cuts...bailouts...stimulus...he's a friggin GENIUS! Spend more money...drive the country deeper into debt...AWESOME!!!
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And McCain would have done the same, except with more tax cuts, who the GOP would have supported, thus pushing us deeper in debt and raising our deficit even more since it would have passed through in Congress.
 
samsmart said:
And McCain would have done the same, except with more tax cuts, who the GOP would have supported, thus pushing us deeper in debt and raising our deficit even more since it would have passed through in Congress.
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You think McCain would have sunk 800billion into a crapulus package like Obama did? Keep dreaming.
 
Whovian said:
You think McCain would have sunk 800billion into a crapulus package like Obama did? Keep dreaming.
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Just on a different set of expendentures. We'd probably have invaded Syria or gave oil companies more money to drill somewhere. Remember, we have a lot of experience with republicans spending.
 
Boo Radley said:
Just on a different set of expendentures. We'd probably have invaded Syria or gave oil companies more money to drill somewhere. Remember, we have a lot of experience with republicans spending.
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yeah... Democrats would NEVER spend money unwisely :rolleyes:

remember all those shovel ready projects that turned out not to be? Wise espenditure that.
 
Whovian said:
You think McCain would have sunk 800billion into a crapulus package like Obama did? Keep dreaming.
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Really?



Q: Which parts of the $700B bailout will help people? McCAIN: This rescue package means we will stabilize markets, we will shore up these institutions. But it’s not enough. That’s why we’re going to have to go out into the housing market and buy up these bad loans and we’re going to have to stabilize home values, and that way, Americans can realize the American dream and stay in their home.


John McCain on Budget & Economy
 
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