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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    What Obama is doing would be something similar to the new General Manager of a professional baseball team coming in and building a new team. The team is full of new players and the entire coaching staff has been replaced.

    That team sucks and doesn't make the playoffs. The General Manager meets with the press at the start of the next season and blames the previous management for the team sucking. That's insane.

    The excuse works the first few months of the season but at a certain point just except the fact that what you're doing isn't working.

    President Obama has been working with his own team since he was elected.
    Your analogy fails since the reality Obama has to work with is NOT something new. It is the economy he inherited. It is not NEW.

    And what he is doing is indeed working. The unemployment rate has reversed from its growth period.
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your analogy fails since the reality Obama has to work with is NOT something new. It is the economy he inherited. It is not NEW.

    And what he is doing is indeed working. The unemployment rate has reversed from its growth period.

    Well, if that is truly the case, then why would anyone set themselves up as he did in the beginning by promising this trillion dollar stimulus would arrest job loss, and keep it at 8% or better? Why would anyone truly believe that in a time where his administration has so fouled up the numbers in even counting the unemployed. the number of 9% is clearly a lie. Obama's policies, and legislation seems more to be constructed to damage the foundation of free enterprise in this nation, and thus drive people to depend more on government than it does about prosperity among the masses.

    I don't know about you, but that is NOT what I want.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    It's who want government to fix it, conservatives and liberals alike, who government as being able to fix it who are to blame. Every president has spun it so, and too often take credit when fortune favors them. We let them. Ultmately, we're to blame.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why would anyone truly believe that in a time where his administration has so fouled up the numbers in even counting the unemployed. the number of 9% is clearly a lie. Obama's policies, and legislation seems more to be constructed to damage the foundation of free enterprise in this nation, and thus drive people to depend more on government than it does about prosperity among the masses.



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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's who want government to fix it, conservatives and liberals alike, who government as being able to fix it who are to blame. Every president has spun it so, and too often take credit when fortune favors them. We let them. Ultmately, we're to blame.

    Well, good...If we take ownership of that can we move on from the blame game, and get er done? Because I think that American attitudes of instant gratification in credit markets is slowing, and people are becoming more personally responsible in their households. That is another reason why Obama will lose, because he hasn't grasped how to do that yet in policy.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If you have any definitive proof that the unemployment numbers are being counted using some illegal fraud, I would be happy to read it.
    Happy to show you how they lie...

    Last week's surprisingly sharp decline in the unemployment rate from 9.4% to 9% and equally surprising anemic job growth -- 36,000 new jobs -- left a lot of investors scratching their heads. How could the unemployment rate plummet so significantly while a such a trivial number of new jobs were created?

    If we simply extrapolate those numbers, we get some nonsensical results. If adding 36,000 jobs to the 139 million jobs in the U.S. economy lowers the unemployment rate by 0.4 percentage points, then adding just 720,000 jobs should lower the unemployment rate by 8 points -- from 9% to only 1%.

    Yet the Bureau of Labor Statistics data shows that 812,000 jobs were added in the year from January 2010 to January 2011 (138,511,000 vs. 139,323,000). Based on the unemployment rate announced last week, we could expect that those 812,000 additional jobs would have lowered the unemployment rate to near-zero. But of course, we know they didn't.

    See full article from DailyFinance: What's the Real Unemployment Number? - DailyFinance
    Read the article and tell me what you think.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, good...If we take ownership of that can we move on from the blame game, and get er done? Because I think that American attitudes of instant gratification in credit markets is slowing, and people are becoming more personally responsible in their households. That is another reason why Obama will lose, because he hasn't grasped how to do that yet in policy.

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    Whether he loses or not will depend on two things: 1) the economy at election time, and 2) who runs against him. He won't lose if it someone like Plain or Bachman. Not sure Romney can win either. But he has a better shot.

    As for the rest of your post, I'm not sure either party has grasped how to not spend outside our means. The past shows us republicans will spend just as surely.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian
    What Obama is doing would be something similar to the new General Manager of a professional baseball team coming in and building a new team. The team is full of new players and the entire coaching staff has been replaced.

    That team sucks and doesn't make the playoffs. The General Manager meets with the press at the start of the next season and blames the previous management for the team sucking. That's insane.

    The excuse works the first few months of the season but at a certain point just except the fact that what you're doing isn't working.

    President Obama has been working with his own team since he was elected.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your analogy fails since the reality Obama has to work with is NOT something new. It is the economy he inherited. It is not NEW.

    And what he is doing is indeed working. The unemployment rate has reversed from its growth period.
    Dear Allah, you suck at this...

    The new players and coaching staff are his administration... not the economy.

    The previous administration is the old team management and coaching staff.

    Not making the playoffs is not improving the economy.

    The current team management and coaching staff (Obama & his administration), are blaming the previous team management and coaching staff (Bush and his administration), for not making the playoffs (improving the economy).


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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    So Republicans think they're worse off under Obama. Big deal.
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So Republicans think they're worse off under Obama. Big deal.
    Fewer than a quarter of people see signs of improvement in the economy, and two-thirds say they believe the country is on the wrong track overall, according to a Bloomberg National Poll conducted June 17-20.
    You telling me that only 1/3 of this country is made up of Democrats?

    OR are uyou telling me the poll was stacked in favor od the GOP? IF you think that, please provide some evidence to back it up.

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