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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    they really can't in our system influence it greatly
    you don't KNOW romer and bernstein?

    LOL!

    the only difference between them is where they grow the government
    you don't know PAUL RYAN?

    these people aren't covered in the sydney morning herald?

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Who do you think was throwing the things I mentioned? The Repubs in congress have done everything they can to thwart everything the president has attempted. Even those things they came up with in the first place, as soon as Obama suggested them.

    No compromise has been considered, only blind unswerving capitulation to the rights agenda has been accepted. "Extend the tax cuts or the unemployed get it!"

    I'm not thrilled with bald obstructionism, that's what I was referring to.
    Gotcha...so...you are other one of 'those guys'. Its always the republicans...its not the poor democrats fault they cant get anything done.

    since the democrats are so incredibly inept that even when they own the house, senate and white house they cant so much as pass a simple operating budget...maybe YOu ought to considering replacing them with people that have a spine and some semblance of competence. Hey...find some replacement democrats since i know mindless ideologues vote for party at all cost... but for Gods sake...for the country's sake, for your great grandchildrens sake...STOP excusing the current crop of clowns. To be honest...you guys OUGHT to be embarrased. George Bush was such a dunce, yet he ran circles around the dems. The dems held majorities in all houses yet the republicans thwarted them. That means...your guys blow. hard.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And this is OBama's fault how?
    His bad policies.
    Catch me if you can.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually, I am dealing with reality and the reality that Obama inherited when he took office.
    but if you judge him by his OWN STANDARDS

    Barack Obama's Stimulus Plan: Failing by Its Own Measure - TIME

    Romer and Bernstein on stimulus - NYTimes.com

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    It seems that Republicans are winning the messaging war, as usual. Unfortunately for the country, the Republicans look at the faultering economy with greedy eyes, and they have no intention of doing anything to help revive the economy until they win back the White House. They have been trying to sabotage any efforts to help the economy since Obama was elected, and proof of that is the number of bills that Republicans have backed or sponsored that would have gone towards helping the economy: zero. Their duplicity is transparent, as are their souls.
    Whether or not they would have helped the economy is a basis of ideology. If you don't feel something will be beneficial, why do it? Even the CBO and economists are split on how helpful or how a big a hinderance some of the successfully passed policies have been.
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    The Repubs in congress have done everything they can to thwart everything the president has attempted.
    President's budget sinks, 97-0 - TheHill.com

    Obama Calls Tax Cuts the 'Right Thing to Do'

    At Obama's side, Clinton backs tax deal - politics - White House - msnbc.com

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Well...in fairness, those were 97 REPUBLICAN senators that bounced his policies...

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    proof of that is the number of bills that Republicans have backed or sponsored that would have gone towards helping the economy: zero
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Gotcha...so...you are other one of 'those guys'. Its always the republicans...its not the poor democrats fault they cant get anything done.

    since the democrats are so incredibly inept that even when they own the house, senate and white house they cant so much as pass a simple operating budget...maybe YOu ought to considering replacing them with people that have a spine and some semblance of competence. Hey...find some replacement democrats since i know mindless ideologues vote for party at all cost... but for Gods sake...for the country's sake, for your great grandchildrens sake...STOP excusing the current crop of clowns. To be honest...you guys OUGHT to be embarrased. George Bush was such a dunce, yet he ran circles around the dems. The dems held majorities in all houses yet the republicans thwarted them. That means...your guys blow. hard.
    I'm an absolute supporter of expanding away from a two party system, so we do have some common ground. You're one of those here I tend to agree with except for level of intensity, if that makes sense. On some things at least.

    But majorities are irrelevant if the minority party is willing to abuse the rules (filibuster) to thwart the majority. Which IS what the.Repubs have done.

    And I don't habe an absolute loyalty to any party, I have voted for Repubs on occasion if I believe they will do a better job.

    I think "think tank" conservatism is DESTROYING the America I grew up in. Their propaganda designers have been mind raping this society for decades. There's some crackhead ideas on the left as well, but they lack the amorality and uniformity of "message" enjoyed by the "think tank" right.

    They're trying to catch up though, and I find the whole thing disgusting. So much so that I probably WOULD vote for a viable libertarian-style candidate if he refrained from veering right socially. Huntsman is actually interesting to me.

    And just to be clear, I oppose the agenda supported by portable wealth as opposed to the agenda of wealth that depends on American paychecks, for what should be obvious reasons. And if all the govts going to do is defend property rights, enforce contracts and provide for defense, then how does that differ from feudalism to the average person?
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I'm an absolute supporter of expanding away from a two party system, so we do have some common ground. You're one of those here I tend to agree with except for level of intensity, if that makes sense. On some things at least.

    But majorities are irrelevant if the minority party is willing to abuse the rules (filibuster) to thwart the majority. Which IS what the.Repubs have done.

    And I don't habe an absolute loyalty to any party, I have voted for Repubs on occasion if I believe they will do a better job.

    I think "think tank" conservatism is DESTROYING the America I grew up in. Their propaganda designers have been mind raping this society for decades. There's some crackhead ideas on the left as well, but they lack the amorality and uniformity of "message" enjoyed by the "think tank" right.

    They're trying to catch up though, and I find the whole thing disgusting. So much so that I probably WOULD vote for a viable libertarian-style candidate if he refrained from veering right socially. Huntsman is actually interesting to me.

    And just to be clear, I oppose the agenda supported by portable wealth as opposed to the agenda of wealth that depends on American paychecks, for what should be obvious reasons. And if all the govts going to do is defend property rights, enforce contracts and provide for defense, then how does that differ from feudalism to the average person?
    I just tire of the republican vs dem thing. I left the republican party out of disgust, joined the Libertarian party and stopped going to meetings there because frankly Libertarian party meetings are as mindless as the other two parties. Id vote for an avowed Satanist if he or she was fiscally conservative and was more driven by what is right for the country than what is right for his or her self and their party.

    Obama is doing a dismal job. Bush did a dismal job. Both parties in congress are doing a dismal job. As a citizen it is very frustrating. As a father and grandfather it downright pisses me off.

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