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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    What Obama is doing would be something similar to the new General Manager of a professional baseball team coming in and building a new team. The team is full of new players and the entire coaching staff has been replaced.

    That team sucks and doesn't make the playoffs. The General Manager meets with the press at the start of the next season and blames the previous management for the team sucking. That's insane.

    The excuse works the first few months of the season but at a certain point just except the fact that what you're doing isn't working.

    President Obama has been working with his own team since he was elected.
    I don't know much about baseball, but if anyone here knows anything about professional basketball, I have two words in response to this:

    ISIAH

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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    would that be the same Medicare program that most liberals whine that the GOP wants to destroy?
    I think it's a good program. What's stupid is that he cut taxes and had literally no way of paying for it.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I know this is hard for mindless ideologues to grasp...but...well...here goes...

    When you apply for a job you make the statement "I can do the job". You are hired with the expectation to then "do the job." Your employer doesnt tolerate "well...dangit...the job is HARD" or "that job is harder than I thought" or "well...Its not MY fault I cant do the job...the last guy you hired didnt do a good job either." See...those are what we call 'excuses' and I dont know of too many employers that give a **** about limp excuses. A good employer MIGHT just tell the whiny employee that keeps using excuses that they ought to spend more time fixing the problem than about whining about the other guy...especially since the other guy consistently maintained lower unemployment rates and ran up less debt in the same amount of time.

    The president has failed. Congress has failed. If the people were smart they would toss every single one of them out by referendum and replace EVERYONE.
    And replace them with who? Libertarians?! ROFL!!

    Obama has not "failed". We've put ourselves in a huge hole due to 30 years of Reagonomics, and we will not get out of this hole in one presidential term. Reagan failed us badly. Bush 1 failed us. Clinton absolutely failed us (most effective Corporate Republican president ever), but 'W' and Obama may not have failed us. History will tell us if 'W' was a good president of bad, but it is too soon to determine that, and it is certainly too soon to tell if Obama is doing a good job or bad job. 'W' made some big mistakes, some of the biggest in our history (Iraq), but he also prevented any terrorist attacks on our shores after 9/11, which he should be given huge kudos for. 'W' had a typical corporatist economic policy toward the recession (TARP) and in this way he and Obama are very much the same. In fact, aside from a few social issues and the ACA, it is hard to tell the difference between the two men in the actual policies that they have pushed forth.
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I realize it's hard to keep striaght everyone's separate opinions, but I don't believe any president is responsible for the economy. I don't believe government can control it at all. Whatever they do is largely to help limit the harm or help the recovery, but both largely have minimal effect.
    Hmmm... strange... and Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilarious!

    You know what Boo... you're right.
    You are.
    But damn it's funny to watch Libs try to defend Obama's incompetence.

    Again Boo... You're right!

    The government cannot control it, but they can influence it greatly, and Socialism... the expansion of government has been disastrous, and the more they tried to control, the more they try to organize our lives for us... the worse it gets. They cannot do it. It fails everywhere. It is costly.

    It's what Conservatives have been saying. Limited government is the best government. Let people live their lives. Let the states run the experiments. Let government take care of their Constitutional duties of protecting the people and nation. Upholding law. Protecting our rights.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    there was little differnece between how liberals view this and conservatives
    little difference between paul ryan and debbie wasserman schultz?

    LOL!

    you don't know what you're talking about

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Ah...so you MISSED the post right before mine that consisted of
    "When George Bush entered office in Jan of 2001, the unemployment rate was 4.2%.
    When he left in Jan of 2009, it was 7.6%.
    That is an increase of 81%.

    When Barack Obama entered office in Jan of 2009, the unemployment rate was 7.6%.
    The latest figure for this May was 9.1%.
    That is an increase of 19%
    The rate of unemployment grown under Bush was over 400% higher than the rate of unemployment growth under Obama. That is improvement and great improvement."


    Well...now is your chance...


    Its OK...no need to reply...we know what time it is...

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Hmmm... strange... and Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilarious!

    You know what Boo... you're right.
    You are.

    The government cannot control it, but they can influence it greatly, and Socialism... the expansion of government has been disastrous, and the more they tried to control, the more they try to organize our lives for us... the worse it gets. They cannot do it. It fails everywhere. It is costly.

    It's what Conservatives have been saying. Limited government is the best government. Let people live their lives. Let the states run the experiments. Let government take care of their Constitution duties of protecting the people and nation. Upholding law. Protecting our rights.
    No, they really can't in our system influence it greatly. Some, but not greatly. If they could, they would, and we'd always have a great economy.

    Now, as for less government? I can only judge what republicnas have done, and frankly the only difference between them is where they grow the government, where they intrude, what they spend on. Remember, you had a number of years with a republican president and congress.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You iz funny cuz you iz comparing failures and proudly proclaiming that your failure iz less bad than the other failure.

    Unemployment rates dont tell the picture, do they. Unemployment rates do not reflect the "actual" unemployment rates, do they? They dont reflect those that have been on unem ployment for so long they simply fall off the map and dont qualify, do they?
    Actually, I am dealing with reality and the reality that Obama inherited when he took office. And you would object to that for what reason?
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Dood...why do poeple like you CONSTANTLY jump in about the president and IGNORE the fact that in that very post you cited I blamed Bush AND both partys in congress?
    Who do you think was throwing the things I mentioned? The Repubs in congress have done everything they can to thwart everything the president has attempted. Even those things they came up with in the first place, as soon as Obama suggested them.

    No compromise has been considered, only blind unswerving capitulation to the rights agenda has been accepted. "Extend the tax cuts or the unemployed get it!"

    I'm not thrilled with bald obstructionism, that's what I was referring to.
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    And replace them with who? Libertarians?! ROFL!!

    Obama has not "failed". We've put ourselves in a huge hole due to 30 years of Reagonomics, and we will not get out of this hole in one presidential term. Reagan failed us badly. Bush 1 failed us. Clinton absolutely failed us (most effective Corporate Republican president ever), but 'W' and Obama may not have failed us. History will tell us if 'W' was a good president of bad, but it is too soon to determine that, and it is certainly too soon to tell if Obama is doing a good job or bad job. 'W' made some big mistakes, some of the biggest in our history (Iraq), but he also prevented any terrorist attacks on our shores after 9/11, which he should be given huge kudos for. 'W' had a typical corporatist economic policy toward the recession (TARP) and in this way he and Obama are very much the same. In fact, aside from a few social issues and the ACA, it is hard to tell the difference between the two men in the actual policies that they have pushed forth.
    Well...while you are ROFLYSAO...you might want to examine what the current and previous crop of clowns have done to (errrr...for) us. Oh...you might find Libertarians funny...so by all means...keep electing democrats and republicans. Come on....how can 15 trillion in debt and actual unemployment well over 20% POSSIBLY be a black eye on your two parties?

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