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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I know this is hard for mindless ideologues to grasp...but...well...here goes...

    When you apply for a job you make the statement "I can do the job". You are hired with the expectation to then "do the job." Your employer doesnt tolerate "well...dangit...the job is HARD" or "that job is harder than I thought" or "well...Its not MY fault I cant do the job...the last guy you hired didnt do a good job either." See...those are what we call 'excuses' and I dont know of too many employers that give a **** about limp excuses. A good employer MIGHT just tell the whiny employee that keeps using excuses that they ought to spend more time fixing the problem than about whining about the other guy...especially since the other guy consistently maintained lower unemployment rates and ran up less debt in the same amount of time.

    The president has failed. Congress has failed. If the people were smart they would toss every single one of them out by referendum and replace EVERYONE.
    I think your example would have been better if you had included co-workers constantly hurling hand grenades and banana peels at you the whole time youre doing your job.

    The right is SO certain that their way is the only way that they will let the whole country go down before accepting any compromise.

    (Of course this could result in being able to hire Americans for $2 a day, and that's what they want, so its not surprising)
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    but... but...it's all Bush's fault! Fire him!
    I don't blame Bush (entirely) for the recession.

    I do blame him for fighting two wars, initiating a new Medicare program, all the while cutting taxes to little avail.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The American people hire a president and expect him to LEAD.

    So...that Bush guy...none of the things in the country was his fault...after all its CONGRESS's job...right? You dont blame Bush and arent critical of Bush, right?
    Lead yes. Control the economy no. They are two different things.

    Bush, like Obama, is responsible for what he did. He couldn't control the econonmy either. But he did start two needless wars, abuse power, and lie to the people. But he could not control the economy.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Don't know whether they did or didn't
    sure

    why should anyone listen to TIME?

    Barack Obama's Stimulus Plan: Failing by Its Own Measure - TIME

    whitehouse.gov, anyone?

    I believe they do this in part to help us with confidence
    U.S. Consumer Confidence Falls to 71.8 From May

    So much for any real difference between the two
    no difference between obama and his opponents?

    you don't know what you're talking about

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Lead yes. Control the economy no. They are two different things.

    Bush, like Obama, is responsible for what he did. He couldn't control the econonmy either. But he did start two needless wars, abuse power, and lie to the people. But he could not control the economy.
    Saaaaaweeeeeeet...now...next time, you might want to jump in adress someone like...oh...Haymarkets comments. Im sorta curious why you didnt jump all over that...no...wait...Im not. I know why you ignored the mindless liberal diatribe and responded to my comments instead (and ignore the fact that I include congress in my "walk of shame").

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I think your example would have been better if you had included co-workers constantly hurling hand grenades and banana peels at you the whole time youre doing your job.

    The right is SO certain that their way is the only way that they will let the whole country go down before accepting any compromise.

    (Of course this could result in being able to hire Americans for $2 a day, and that's what they want, so its not surprising)
    Dood...why do poeple like you CONSTANTLY jump in about the president and IGNORE the fact that in that very post you cited I blamed Bush AND both parties in congress?
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Bush, like Obama, is responsible for what he did.
    they're responsible for what they do---brilliant!

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    One cannot properly evaluate the Obama term unless one considers what he started with on the day he took over.

    When George Bush entered office in Jan of 2001, the unemployment rate was 4.2%.
    When he left in Jan of 2009, it was 7.6%.
    That is an increase of 81%.

    When Barack Obama entered office in Jan of 2009, the unemployment rate was 7.6%.
    The latest figure for this May was 9.1%.
    That is an increase of 19%

    The rate of unemployment grown under Bush was over 400% higher than the rate of unemployment growth under Obama. That is improvement and great improvement.

    Obama may not have a winning record in the minds of some, but he is like the baseball manager who took over a team which had lost 121 games in the previous year and now he has cut it to only losing 91 during his first season. Its not the World Series, but its light years better that the preceeding manager.
    What Obama is doing would be something similar to the new General Manager of a professional baseball team coming in and building a new team. The team is full of new players and the entire coaching staff has been replaced.

    That team sucks and doesn't make the playoffs. The General Manager meets with the press at the start of the next season and blames the previous management for the team sucking. That's insane.

    The excuse works the first few months of the season but at a certain point just except the fact that what you're doing isn't working.

    President Obama has been working with his own team since he was elected.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Saaaaaweeeeeeet...now...next time, you might want to jump in adress someone like...oh...Haymarkets comments. Im sorta curious why you didnt jump all over that...no...wait...Im not. I know why you ignored the mindless liberal diatribe and responded to my comments instead (and ignore the fact that I include congress in my "walk of shame").
    Haven't seen it. But can't he read what I wrote as well as you? And I have said, in this thread even, that there was little differnece between how liberals view this and conservatives. I said it was odd.

    And I don't dispute congress is also included, so there is no need to address it other than to say they don't control the eonomy either.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I don't blame Bush (entirely) for the recession.

    I do blame him for fighting two wars, initiating a new Medicare program, all the while cutting taxes to little avail.
    would that be the same Medicare program that most liberals whine that the GOP wants to destroy?

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