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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

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    It was all ANY president could do to arrest the descent, much less climb out of the hole.
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I've mentioned this elsewhere. I know the word "stimulus" has a pretty bad rap right now in our current political discourse, but if you look at history, fiscal stimulus actually has a pretty good track record.

    I think the problem with Obama's stimulus is that it was nowhere near large enough to fix the size of the problem it was meant to solve. On the flip side, for it to have been even larger would have been politically unfeasible.

    As my economics professors (both liberal and conservative) like to say...good economics =/= good politics, and vice versa.
    That is what a good many claimed from the begining.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    One cannot properly evaluate the Obama term unless one considers what he started with on the day he took over.

    When George Bush entered office in Jan of 2001, the unemployment rate was 4.2%.
    When he left in Jan of 2009, it was 7.6%.
    That is an increase of 81%.

    When Barack Obama entered office in Jan of 2009, the unemployment rate was 7.6%.
    The latest figure for this May was 9.1%.
    That is an increase of 19%

    The rate of unemployment grown under Bush was over 400% higher than the rate of unemployment growth under Obama. That is improvement and great improvement.

    Obama may not have a winning record in the minds of some, but he is like the baseball manager who took over a team which had lost 121 games in the previous year and now he has cut it to only losing 91 during his first season. Its not the World Series, but its light years better that the preceeding manager.
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    I know this is hard for mindless ideologues to grasp...but...well...here goes...

    When you apply for a job you make the statement "I can do the job". You are hired with the expectation to then "do the job." Your employer doesnt tolerate "well...dangit...the job is HARD" or "that job is harder than I thought" or "well...Its not MY fault I cant do the job...the last guy you hired didnt do a good job either." See...those are what we call 'excuses' and I dont know of too many employers that give a **** about limp excuses. A good employer MIGHT just tell the whiny employee that keeps using excuses that they ought to spend more time fixing the problem than about whining about the other guy...especially since the other guy consistently maintained lower unemployment rates and ran up less debt in the same amount of time.

    The president has failed. Congress has failed. If the people were smart they would toss every single one of them out by referendum and replace EVERYONE.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I've mentioned this elsewhere. I know the word "stimulus" has a pretty bad rap right now in our current political discourse
    you can say that again

    Just don't call it a 'stimulus' - Alexander Burns - POLITICO.com

    Echo Chamber: The new S-word? - Alexander Trowbridge - POLITICO.com

    I think the problem with Obama's stimulus is that it was nowhere near large enough
    Obama: "No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Projects" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I know this is hard for mindless ideologues to grasp...but...well...here goes...

    When you apply for a job you make the statement "I can do the job". You are hired with the expectation to then "do the job." Your employer doesnt tolerate "well...dangit...the job is HARD" or "that job is harder than I thought" or "well...Its not MY fault I cant do the job...the last guy you hired didnt do a good job either." See...those are what we call 'excuses' and I dont know of too many employers that give a **** about limp excuses. A good employer MIGHT just tell the whiny employee that keeps using excuses that they ought to spend more time fixing the problem than about whining about the other guy...especially since the other guy consistently maintained lower unemployment rates and ran up less debt in the same amount of time.

    The president has failed. Congress has failed. If the people were smart they would toss every single one of them out by referendum and replace EVERYONE.
    The problem is you think that the job is to control the economy. Frankly, it isn't. It isn't for any president. It isn't for congress. If you hired a mechanic and expected him to give you a new car, well, you're a fool.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    One cannot properly evaluate the Obama term unless one considers what he started with on the day he took over.

    When George Bush entered office in Jan of 2001, the unemployment rate was 4.2%.
    When he left in Jan of 2009, it was 7.6%.
    That is an increase of 81%.

    When Barack Obama entered office in Jan of 2009, the unemployment rate was 7.6%.
    The latest figure for this May was 9.1%.
    That is an increase of 19%

    The rate of unemployment grown under Bush was over 400% higher than the rate of unemployment growth under Obama. That is improvement and great improvement.

    Obama may not have a winning record in the minds of some, but he is like the baseball manager who took over a team which had lost 121 games in the previous year and now he has cut it to only losing 91 during his first season. Its not the World Series, but its light years better that the preceeding manager.
    You iz funny cuz you iz comparing failures and proudly proclaiming that your failure iz less bad than the other failure.

    Unemployment rates dont tell the picture, do they. Unemployment rates do not reflect the "actual" unemployment rates, do they? They dont reflect those that have been on unem ployment for so long they simply fall off the map and dont qualify, do they?

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The problem is you think that the job is to control the economy. Frankly, it isn't. It isn't for any president. It isn't for congress. If you hired a mechanic and expected him to give you a new car, well, you're a fool.
    The American people hire a president and expect him to LEAD.

    So...that Bush guy...none of the things in the country was his fault...after all its CONGRESS's job...right? You dont blame Bush and arent critical of Bush, right?

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I know this is hard for mindless ideologues to grasp...but...well...here goes...

    When you apply for a job you make the statement "I can do the job". You are hired with the expectation to then "do the job." Your employer doesnt tolerate "well...dangit...the job is HARD" or "that job is harder than I thought" or "well...Its not MY fault I cant do the job...the last guy you hired didnt do a good job either." See...those are what we call 'excuses' and I dont know of too many employers that give a **** about limp excuses. A good employer MIGHT just tell the whiny employee that keeps using excuses that they ought to spend more time fixing the problem than about whining about the other guy...especially since the other guy consistently maintained lower unemployment rates and ran up less debt in the same amount of time.

    The president has failed. Congress has failed. If the people were smart they would toss every single one of them out by referendum and replace EVERYONE.
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I know this is hard for mindless ideologues to grasp...but...well...here goes...

    When you apply for a job you make the statement "I can do the job". You are hired with the expectation to then "do the job." Your employer doesnt tolerate "well...dangit...the job is HARD" or "that job is harder than I thought" or "well...Its not MY fault I cant do the job...the last guy you hired didnt do a good job either." See...those are what we call 'excuses' and I dont know of too many employers that give a **** about limp excuses. A good employer MIGHT just tell the whiny employee that keeps using excuses that they ought to spend more time fixing the problem than about whining about the other guy...especially since the other guy consistently maintained lower unemployment rates and ran up less debt in the same amount of time.

    The president has failed. Congress has failed. If the people were smart they would toss every single one of them out by referendum and replace EVERYONE.
    but... but...it's all Bush's fault! Fire him!

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