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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    job growth did happen and he linked the two
    grain of salt?

    LOL!

    barack the slasher hussein himself brags about the 2.1 million private sector jobs created since the recovery

    that's less than 100000 per month and far too few even to keep up with population

    in times like these

    after all we've been thru

    which is why the usa today called out for everyone our historically slow recovery

    Job creation limps along after recession - USATODAY.com

    it's pretty hard to promote a recovery summer, even a year later, when ONE MILLION AMERICANS one day apply for an entry level, minimum wage job disdained by generations of teens as beneath THEM

    and NINE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND of em get turned away

    Daily Kos: One Million Apply for McDonald's Jobs

    when the housing market has OFFICIALLY reached DOUBLE DIP

    CNBC: It's Official, Home Values Double Dip

    CNBC: Housing Crisis Now Worse Than Great Depression

    when gdp is 1.8

    and yes, sadly, it's very hard to sell success when poll after poll shows americans in terrifying proportions saying we're heading for a great depression, our best days are behind us, our right track/wrong track numbers are FORTY points upside down

    CNN Poll: Obama approval rating drops as fears of depression rise – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

    U.S. Economy In Permanent Decline, Say 39 Percent of Americans: HuffPo

    RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Direction of Country

    this economy, ominously, has by now become psychologized

    who's spinning?

    greenspan?
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

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    This is why I cannot debate with people of your ilk.
    I like people of my ilk. And we are fun to debate with. People of my ilk, that is.
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    You seriously believe that the Dems are doing more harm to the economy
    Yep.
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    and trying to move the US away from a free market economy more than repubs.
    Yep. It is intentional. And it has accelerated under the one term Marxist president Obama.

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    NEWSFLASH, we haven't had a capitalist country since at least the late 1800s and certainly before the NEW DEAL.
    Really? FDR lengthened the depression with his policies. And he certainly did a great many extra constitutional programs that haunt us to this day. He was a democrat, wasn't he?

    So if we want to keep our country we need to return to the Constitution. We need to limit government and eliminate everything that is extra constitutional. Whole departments need to close, fire all the people, and sell the buildings.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    So if we want to keep our country we need to return to the Constitution. We need to limit government and eliminate everything that is extra constitutional. Whole departments need to close, fire all the people, and sell the buildings.
    And you seriously believe the corporate shrills that the repubs have become will do that? And you seriously believe that the repubs aren't as bad as the dems?
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

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    And you seriously believe the corporate shrills that the repubs have become will do that? And you seriously believe that the repubs aren't as bad as the dems?
    Actually, the statist republicans are in fact nearly as bad as the statist democrats. It will take conservatives to turn this around. But time is nearly up. We don't have a generation. In my opinion we don't even have a decade. We may have only one more election cycle.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    FDR lengthened the depression with his policies
    it was eponymously called the roosevelt recession

    1937

    Recession of 1937

    it got a lot worse

    a recession on top of, in the midst of, a great depression

    he also screwed up really bad at yalta

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Animus View Post
    What Bush policies did he continue?

    Oh the tax cuts for the rich which conservatives insisted on.
    This insane argument is so old and out of date it's sickening .. I'll point this out to one more time for you bleeding heart liberals.. . the bush tax cuts (for the rich as you say) we passed by your own friggin liberals, they controlled the house .. the senate .. and the white house .. . There was no voted even needed .. those tax cuts were all set to expire .. gone .. no longer there .. I'll say it again . .they didn't have to do anything . Something they are normally very good at .. liberal Democrats “voted” to extend those tax cuts .. those tax cuts now belong to the liberals … and no one else.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    This insane argument is so old and out of date it's sickening .. I'll point this out to one more time for you bleeding heart liberals.. . the bush tax cuts (for the rich as you say) we passed by your own friggin liberals, they controlled the house .. the senate .. and the white house .. . There was no voted even needed .. those tax cuts were all set to expire .. gone .. no longer there .. I'll say it again . .they didn't have to do anything . Something they are normally very good at .. liberal Democrats “voted” to extend those tax cuts .. those tax cuts now belong to the liberals … and no one else.
    And I'll remind you, that when those tax cuts were renewed, the dems, as a voting bloc if they all voted for the same thing, was no longer filibuster proof.
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Actually, the statist republicans are in fact nearly as bad as the statist democrats. It will take conservatives to turn this around. But time is nearly up. We don't have a generation. In my opinion we don't even have a decade. We may have only one more election cycle.
    Where on this board did I read these same comments before and who posted them? Any help?
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    it's difficult to pin the current malaise completely on either of the popular political parties. what we're experiencing is the inevitable culmination of the transition to a less industrial society, and that transition has been happening for more than three decades. only recently has the easy credit that was masking the problem collapsed; prior to 2008, it was possible for Americans with stagnant wage growth to continue to increase consumption. that was always a house of cards, though. cheaper goods also slowed the arrival of the crash.

    the goal has been decreasing prices of consumer goods at any societal cost. the result of that is that a significant portion of the revenue generated by production that used to go to workers (and then back into the economy through consumption) now goes overseas. while this could turn into an outsourcing rant for me, i would have to admit that mechanization can lead to the same scenario, and most people don't want to see a halt in new technology. however, some industry will have to absorb the displaced workers for this cycle to cease.

    this is far from the first transitional period America has lived through. not so long ago, we were an agricultural economy. however, when that changed, industry was able to pick up the displaced workers. if a new growth industry is unable to utilize our workforce soon, i'm not sure how a 70 percent consumer spending GDP can recover, as it requires employed people with income to spend. i don't see a lot of room for government to pick up the slack, either, considering our current debt situation.

    if i had the magic wand, i would seriously reallocate our tax revenue and spend it on infrastructure repair / rebuilding and investment in domestic energy technology. a tiered corporate tax that encourages corporations to hire domestically might help. and as much as i don't think tax cuts are the be all / end all, our corporate tax rates are not competitive for smaller corporations while loopholes allow larger ones to skirt taxes almost entirely. a clearer corporate tax policy would benefit everyone, and might encourage corporations to headquarter here.

    i suppose my long winded point is that it's critical to solve the employment problem without getting quagmired in the tar pit of partisan gamesmanship. this is unlikely to happen, unfortunately.

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