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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    So Obama has no culpability for anything? Is it still Bush?
    It has nothing to do with Bush either.
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Most of that debt was created under Republican presidents, Reagan, Bush 41, Bush 43.
    The Weekly Standard: Obama Vs. Bush On Debt : NPR
    How do Bush and Obama compare on closer inspection? Just about like they do on an initial glance. According to the White House's Office of Management and Budget, during his eight fiscal years, Bush ran up a total of $3.283 trillion in deficit spending (p. 22). In his first two fiscal years, Obama will run up a total of $2.826 trillion in deficit spending ($1.294 trillion in 2010, an estimated $1.267 trillion in 2011 (p. 23), and the $265 billion in "stimulus" money that was spent in 2009). Thus, Bush ran up an average of $410 billion in deficit spending per year, while Obama is running up an average of $1.413 trillion in deficit spending per year — or $1.003 trillion a year more than Bush.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    So you must agree that it was Bush who was resposible for the deep recession during his term in office???
    yup.

    But at this point, I don't give a **** who's fault it is...

    ****ING FIX IT!

    And THAT, my dear PB, is the responsibility of the current president and his administration.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Please...what do you think is happening under YOUR happy leadership? 15 trillion...and counting...go ahead and apoligize to your grandchildren in advance for the ****ed mess you have left them.
    The sad part is that you think this all happened under Obama. Or are you simply blaming Obama due to some sort of partisan Red-Blue Summer Camp color war mindset.
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Obviously more so than you do.
    So I take it your link to the post-autistic economics site in another thread was facetious, then. Or are you just having a had time deciding where to "draw the line"?

    Pretty disingenuous to pretend that large scale economic problems can be solved by new management immediately
    That there are no other factors involvd.
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    yup.

    But at this point, I don't give a **** who's fault it is...

    ****ING FIX IT!

    And THAT, my dear PB, is the responsibility of the current president and his administration.
    The only thing that is going to fix it is the supreme court quickly ruling on CongressCare and increased spending by every day folks. In the latter case the government can either give people money every month, create jobs themselves (national works projects etc), or some other "stimulas" type program. However, the better solution to the problem lies in all companies sharing their profits with their lower rung employees. As I said in a previous post

    No, those are part of the operating cost. Profit is determined after that. The only people being given a large single share in profits are CEOs, which is counter productive. For the most part they already make a crap load of money and they aren't likely to reinvest that money into the company. But lets look at it from a macro-economic scale. What is better for society as a whole, the top 20% getting more money, or the bottom 80% getting more money?

    Now lets look at it on a micro-economic scale. Lets say a company makes high end cars and gets enough profit they feel the CEO should get 150million. He gets that money, but instead of keeping it all, he gives half it away, evenly, to 1000 employees. Those employees can now afford the car the company makes and some of them buy it, making the company more profitable.
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    The sad part is that you think this all happened under Obama. Or are you simply blaming Obama due to some sort of partisan Red-Blue Summer Camp color war mindset.
    You CANT be that ideologically blind can you? How many times have I said I blame Bush, Obama, democrats AND republicans? in THIS THREAD even. Ive said COUNTLESS times...I was so disgusted by Bush's fiscal irresponsibility I left the republican party in 2003. Sad??? yeah...I think you got it...

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    So I take it your link to the post-autistic economics site in another thread was facetious, then. Or are you just having a had time deciding where to "draw the line"?

    Pretty disingenuous to pretend that large scale economic problems can be solved by new management immediately
    That there are no other factors involved.
    Truly. I don't understand why people come here as if they've made a solid point expecting any kind of problem of this size to have disappeared even in one whole term. Had this been a Republican in office the tone would have been, "Hey Libs, why don't you quit bad mouthing the President until you been in his shoes. He just got in office so chill out."

    Really, it seems all some people do is search for articles that agree with what their thinking and post it to heckle others with.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    So I take it your link to the post-autistic economics site in another thread was facetious, then. Or are you just having a had time deciding where to "draw the line"?

    Pretty disingenuous to pretend that large scale economic problems can be solved by new management immediately
    That there are no other factors involvd.
    My bad, I think it was Mach with that link.
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    oh goody - we get to trade insults - from Whovian

    you suck at this...
    oh my - now I guess you suck even more because you fail to see that improvement is improvement is improvement and so will most American voters. The fact is that when Bush left, there was fear of another Great Depression and it never happened. That radical increase in the growth of unemployment leveled off and has been reversed.

    Yes, the odor of bunring dog crap still permeates the air and it was caused by the flaming bags of dog poop left on the White House steps by Bush and his policies. But in the end, the house did NOT catch fire and the people know that the worse is behind us and progress has been made.

    Oh - when we trade insults next time, the "you suck " stuff is pretty pedestrian. Can you come up with some wittier and cleverer stuff please?
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