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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Man, this is shaping up to be very bad for liberal progressives.....


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    It's very bad for Americans in general as the government has stopped serving our means. I really don't see us being in any different place had McCain won. People point fingers all the time, but would we really be better off with the other side in? Or would we just be in the same place? If it's the latter, maybe there's a problem with just sitting around pointing fingers.
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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I repeat, and j, you pay attention as well, no president controls the economy. I said so when Bush was president and I say so now.
    You may be consistent in your meme, but that doesn't make it true. All that shows is that you are consistently wrong....heh, heh....

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's very bad for Americans in general as the government has stopped serving our means. I really don't see us being in any different place had McCain won. People point fingers all the time, but would we really be better off with the other side in? Or would we just be in the same place? If it's the latter, maybe there's a problem with just sitting around pointing fingers.

    Ok what do you suggest? or is this just more faux libertarian no answers filler?

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You may be consistent in your meme, but that doesn't make it true. All that shows is that you are consistently wrong....heh, heh....

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    J, politicians are about staying in power. The best way for them to stay in power is for the economy to be strong and doing well. Yet, it has faultered under both parties, neither being able to stop it from going bad. They simply don't have the power to override other factors.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok what do you suggest? or is this just more faux libertarian no answers filler?

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    I would like to see less my side and your side, and more compromise and effort to work towards a solution. It would be nice, as unlikley as it is to happen.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok what do you suggest? or is this just more faux libertarian no answers filler?

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    I suggest that we take serious stock with the current direction and size of our government. We need to control it, not the other way around. There are necessities of government and in what it needs to do to best serve the People. We can sit around all day, year after year saying "look how bad the other side is". But if both sides are bad, then there's the real problem right there and we need to work to open up proper political competition to allow other people to get in that may actually work for a change. How many years of "It's Clinton's fault" did we get? Something like 6? It's always the other person's fault. Well guess what, it may just not be everyone's fault but our own, maybe the whole system has become isolated from the people and the whole system is becoming so bad that we can't get anywhere with either party. In that case, the only option left is to replace the main parties with new ones which will serve us better. And when they grow old and incompetent, we replace them again. Only through our diligent servo of the system can we hope to maintain control of the government and have it operate in meaningful, correct, and just manners.

    I suggest we all take our collective heads out of our asses and actually do our damned job to keep this Republic.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I suggest that we take serious stock with the current direction and size of our government. We need to control it, not the other way around. There are necessities of government and in what it needs to do to best serve the People. We can sit around all day, year after year saying "look how bad the other side is". But if both sides are bad, then there's the real problem right there and we need to work to open up proper political competition to allow other people to get in that may actually work for a change. How many years of "It's Clinton's fault" did we get? Something like 6? It's always the other person's fault. Well guess what, it may just not be everyone's fault but our own, maybe the whole system has become isolated from the people and the whole system is becoming so bad that we can't get anywhere with either party. In that case, the only option left is to replace the main parties with new ones which will serve us better. And when they grow old and incompetent, we replace them again. Only through our diligent servo of the system can we hope to maintain control of the government and have it operate in meaningful, correct, and just manners.

    I suggest we all take our collective heads out of our asses and actually do our damned job to keep this Republic.
    You may want to look at the process as well, as a beauty contest leads us to where we are.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I suggest that we take serious stock with the current direction and size of our government. We need to control it, not the other way around. There are necessities of government and in what it needs to do to best serve the People. We can sit around all day, year after year saying "look how bad the other side is". But if both sides are bad, then there's the real problem right there and we need to work to open up proper political competition to allow other people to get in that may actually work for a change. How many years of "It's Clinton's fault" did we get? Something like 6? It's always the other person's fault. Well guess what, it may just not be everyone's fault but our own, maybe the whole system has become isolated from the people and the whole system is becoming so bad that we can't get anywhere with either party. In that case, the only option left is to replace the main parties with new ones which will serve us better. And when they grow old and incompetent, we replace them again. Only through our diligent servo of the system can we hope to maintain control of the government and have it operate in meaningful, correct, and just manners.

    I suggest we all take our collective heads out of our asses and actually do our damned job to keep this Republic.
    I don't find anything you said to be out of line at all. However, given our current system, how do we do that short of revolution do we do that?

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, politicians are about staying in power. The best way for them to stay in power is for the economy to be strong and doing well. Yet, it has faultered under both parties, neither being able to stop it from going bad. They simply don't have the power to override other factors.
    Well, they'd better figure it out, and damned fast don't you think?

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    Re: Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, they'd better figure it out, and damned fast don't you think?

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    J, the problem is relying on them to figure it out. Only in a government system where the government has complete control can government control the economy to any reasonable measure, and ever there it can and does get away from them. The fact is, sometimes you just have to ride it out.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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