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    Re: Obama Gets 30% of Americans Certain to Support Re-Election in Economy Poll

    To me it seems like Barack Obama is going to be a one term president. According to history no president has ever been reelected with unemployment rate above 8 percent since 1936. It seems like that what's going to happen in November 2012, the economy is still doing very poorly. The job report for the month of may was terrible, the economy only added a total 54000 jobs. I think if the president wants to win a second term he has a total of 14 months left to get the unemployment rate below 8 percent.

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    Re: Obama Gets 30% of Americans Certain to Support Re-Election in Economy Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Finally something I agree with .. this far out .. polls are nothing more then fodder for the news media
    And mindless hacks who lack even the most basic critical thinking skills. Unfortunately, there are plenty here.

    The bottom line here is the economy, plain and simple.
    Absolutely. Which in a way, was stupid for Obama to release his birth certificate. The longer he keeps the GOP off the economy, the more likely he's to win with a bad economy. But on the flip side, the faster he gets them to commit to stupid plans like Palwenty's (who would actually push us into default) the more likely he's going to get the college educated crowd who understands a bit about finance. But that's a small voting block to b sure.

    if it can be reversed .. and show strong “real” signs of improvement .. obama will difficult to beat .. the other thing that will be used against him is the debt and deficit spending .. that will also have to be gotten under control .. But if the average American is somewhat better off then when a president took office .. then chances are good he will be re-elected.
    I'm not sure he can. The problem is not supply. Corporations are sitting on $2 trillion of cash. They aren't investing and hiring because demand is just not there DESPITE the market being up leaps and bounds from the worst of the recession. Honesty, though, the GOP's current candidates are basically jokes when it comes to the economy. Most of them would cut spending so dramatically we'd see a new recession and higher deficits due to automatic stabilizers and less tax revenue. I'm really just waiting for Huntsman and Romney to release an actual, adult, intelligent plan. Right now it's a joke.

    At this point in time .. Americans aren't better off .. unemployment is still high, companies aren't hiring and people are suffering more … inflation .. is beginning to show it's ugly head .. so yes at this time he would be hard pressed to win over any reasonable candidate. But he has a year to turn some of that around ..
    Reasonable is key though.

    One thing I've been pondering tho .. and this has no fact basis at all … .but he has made a lot of enemies of big business, and if they so choose to do so .. could easily cause a turn down in the economy in say .. April or May of next year .. that would insure a defeat.
    Not to mention that the GOP would have much to gain from basically killing the economy. The worse the economy is, the better they'd do which in a way is massively un-American as they'd benefit from more unemployment and more suffering.

    As for Business though, they exist to make a profit. Intentionally shooting yourself in the foot doesn't make sense no matter who's in office. Furthermore, CEOs tend not to be idiots and I'd gather many of them realize that whoever wins the next election is going to make tough decisions that will hurt them regardless. There is no realistic way to balance the budget and start reducing the debt without significant tax hikes and major cuts, neither of which are good for a consumer based economy. Anyone who argues this can be done with just tax cuts or spending cuts is lying or delusional.

    As I said no facts to back this up, just my own thinking that if business were to decide they wanted someone more favorable to them running this country, they could pull back their money .. give another round of layoffs .. pull their money out of the stock market, release reports of them losing money .. a 2nd dip so close to an election would have the desired effects . As I said just my own opinion …... but on the other hand .. My money is coming out of the stock market right after Christmas … I'll risk the rewards of upwards ticks for 6 or 7 months .. just in case ..
    It's possible, but the risk to one's livelihood seems to counteract that. A CEO won't risk losing their job by destroying profits merely to hurt Obama. Especially in this day and age where shareholders can get in on class action lawsuits.
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    Re: Obama Gets 30% of Americans Certain to Support Re-Election in Economy Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Don't know for sure at this moment. What little I know of Hunstman seems good. But I do knwo we don't need crazy, or extreme, or stupid. I just think we need to work harder at getting good, intelligent, reasonable people to run, frown on the excessive gottcha nonsense, and stop feeding the attack ad machine.

    Do you argee with me or not?

    Huntsman? Really? why? Was one of the calculations in your mind that he worked for Obama?

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    Re: Obama Gets 30% of Americans Certain to Support Re-Election in Economy Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Huntsman? Really? why? Was one of the calculations in your mind that he worked for Obama?

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    No, as I said, I know little about him, but what I hear is that he is moderate, seems to speak with reason, and I haven't heard anything nutter from him, which in this class is a good thing.

    I do know you won't answer the question. Why?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Gets 30% of Americans Certain to Support Re-Election in Economy Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, as I said, I know little about him, but what I hear is that he is moderate, seems to speak with reason, and I haven't heard anything nutter from him, which in this class is a good thing.

    I do know you won't answer the question. Why?
    Well, a couple of reasons really.

    1. I think you have about as much of a chance of voting for any republican today, as I do voting for Obama.

    2. Huntsman, with his "wishy/washy" approach is naive. If he really believes that Obama is out there earlier than any other incumbent in history, trying to raise more money (even if from questionable sources) than anyone else in history because he wants to run a clean campaign based on the issues of his first term, then Huntsman is crazy.

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    Re: Obama Gets 30% of Americans Certain to Support Re-Election in Economy Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, a couple of reasons really.

    1. I think you have about as much of a chance of voting for any republican today, as I do voting for Obama.

    2. Huntsman, with his "wishy/washy" approach is naive. If he really believes that Obama is out there earlier than any other incumbent in history, trying to raise more money (even if from questionable sources) than anyone else in history because he wants to run a clean campaign based on the issues of his first term, then Huntsman is crazy.

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    Well, I have voted republicna in the past. true, if you select a nutter, or someone too far from my belief system, I won't vote for them. Nor should you expect me to. But if you nominate someone reasonable, moderate, and a better option than Obama I would consider it. And if he or she was clearly better, I would vote for that person.

    Now I don't know who that person is. Huntsman, who I admit I don't know very well, seems the only one I know of running to what I would vote for. And Huntsman not being a hateful as some doesn't make him crazy. Many would like to see a candidate move away from the vile attack approaches we've seen the last few years. few doubt it will happen, but I won't fault Huntsman for being civil.

    BTW, nothing about what you believe concerning me should prevent you from answering the question. The question was not about what you thought about me, but about what I said and argued.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Gets 30% of Americans Certain to Support Re-Election in Economy Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, I have voted republicna in the past. true, if you select a nutter, or someone too far from my belief system, I won't vote for them. Nor should you expect me to. But if you nominate someone reasonable, moderate, and a better option than Obama I would consider it. And if he or she was clearly better, I would vote for that person.

    Now I don't know who that person is. Huntsman, who I admit I don't know very well, seems the only one I know of running to what I would vote for. And Huntsman not being a hateful as some doesn't make him crazy. Many would like to see a candidate move away from the vile attack approaches we've seen the last few years. few doubt it will happen, but I won't fault Huntsman for being civil.

    BTW, nothing about what you believe concerning me should prevent you from answering the question. The question was not about what you thought about me, but about what I said and argued.

    There are indications Joe, that Obama is going to run the most expensive attack campaign right from the start, so your option is that we should run someone who is not going to stand up against that onslaught, rather promote puff about how civil he is? Get out of here with that....This is why we shouldn't give a damn what liberals think of who we nominate.

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    Re: Obama Gets 30% of Americans Certain to Support Re-Election in Economy Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    There are indications Joe, that Obama is going to run the most expensive attack campaign right from the start, so your option is that we should run someone who is not going to stand up against that onslaught, rather promote puff about how civil he is? Get out of here with that....This is why we shouldn't give a damn what liberals think of who we nominate.

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    How much money is spent doesn't tell us how he will run. I would expect the republican candidate to give as good as he gets, or better, but that is not the point. Do you desire better? Do want a strong candidate, or less? Do what to look up, or to the gutter?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Gets 30% of Americans Certain to Support Re-Election in Economy Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How much money is spent doesn't tell us how he will run. I would expect the republican candidate to give as good as he gets, or better, but that is not the point. Do you desire better? Do want a strong candidate, or less? Do what to look up, or to the gutter?
    Ofcourse I want a strong candidate, with less government, fiscal responsible, pro liberty goals. Certainly not what we have now.

    And to think that we would let liberals tell us how to select our candidate is absurd....

    Worry about your own disaster currently occupying the WH before you try and choose ours.

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