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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not yet, but the Libbos are working on it.
    No.. Actually the repubs are working on it.. They are the ones waging the war against the poor and the middle class.. At least get your facts straight will you??

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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    If you want socialized health care move to a country that already has it....oh wait, most of them are trying to get rid of it.
    Name one that is trying to get rid of it and support that claim with proof.. I bet you can't.. Did you hear that nugget on Fox News??

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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    $100,000,000,000,000.00 in unfunded liabilities. (that's NOT counting Obamacare)
    Link it or you are full of it..

    Newsvine - GOP tax cut proposal for the rich would cost more than health care reform and the stimulus COMBINED

    Now what do you have to say for yourself??

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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    Buut.. Places like GE, billion dollar companies don't pay taxes because?
    because our corporate tax code is idiotic. we hit our companies with the second highest rate in the industrialized world, give them all these little breaks and shelters if they engage in the kind of business that we specifically want them to, and then complain when they do.

    the cost to us is to maintain this system is tremendous. in 2010, it cost us $410 BILLION just to comply with our own tax code. that's insane.

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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    Link it or you are full of it..

    Newsvine - GOP tax cut proposal for the rich would cost more than health care reform and the stimulus COMBINED

    Now what do you have to say for yourself??
    That you aren't very up to date on reality.

    Is the US Government bankrupt?
    By Pete Morin
    Before we continue to debate the merits of any Obama health care plan, we need to consider a few important facts.

    By any rational means, we must consider the present condition of our Government's financial situation. An honest look at those finances would have a prudent person conclude that our government is tacitly bankrupt. Our unfunded liabilities far exceed our assets. Adding up all unfunded liabilities for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and Government sponsored pension funds gives us a figure slightly in excess of $100 TRILLION dollars. That's TRILLION with a ‘T'. The Federal budget deficit for fiscal 2009 will be approximately $1.84 TRILLION . That's TRILLION with a ‘T'. Over the next ten years the projected deficit will be $9 TRILLION +. That's $100,000,000,000,000.00 -- TRILLION with a ‘T'. Of course, this projected deficit comes from the Congressional Budget Office and has to be considered a conservative estimate. In 1966 the feds estimated that the cost of the Medicare program by 1990 would be approximately $9 billion dollars/year; the actual cost was $67 billion dollars/year.
    Archived-Articles: Is the US Government bankrupt?

    Our Debt Is More Than All the Money in the World
    September 9, 2010 5:32 P.M.
    By Kevin D. Williamson
    Tags: Debt, Deficits, Despair, Fiscal Armageddon, Gloom

    Just a reminder: We are in trouble.

    I have argued that the real national debt is about $130 trillion. Let’s say I’m being pessimistic. Forbes, in a 2008 article, came up with a lower number: $70 trillion . Let’s say the sunny optimists at Forbes got it right and I got it wrong.

    For perspective: At the time that 2008 article was written, the entire supply of money in the world (“broad money,” i.e., global M3, meaning cash, consumer-account deposits, checkable accounts, CDs, long-term deposits, travelers’ checks, money-market funds, the whole enchilada) was estimated to be just under $60 trillion. Which is to say: The optimistic view is that our outstanding obligations amount to more than all of the money in the world.

    Global GDP in 2008? Also about $60 trillion. Meaning that the optimistic view is that our federal obligations outpace the entire annual economic output of human civilization.
    Our Debt Is More Than All the Money in the World - By Kevin D. Williamson - Exchequer - National Review Online

    That was a 30 second google.

    Wake up to reality, politicians have promised more then we'll ever have the money to afford.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Yep, this article pretty much confirms what I said, that the bottleneck is in our education system. There is no shortage of smart people who want to be doctors.
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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    in which case we also need to break the power of the Medical Cartel, the AMA, which currently limits those schools and the number of people they can take in. It's in their best interest, after all, to keep doctors expensive.
    I completely agree. The AMA is one of the worst institutions in our health care system.
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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Our Debt Is More Than All the Money in the World - By Kevin D. Williamson - Exchequer - National Review Online

    That was a 30 second google.

    Wake up to reality, politicians have promised more then we'll ever have the money to afford.
    Kevin Williamson can be absolutely brutal - he is quite impressive, and his Exchequer is one of my favorite blogs.

    but hey, don't worry. repealing the Bush Tax cuts will get us everything we need, right?

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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Kevin Williamson can be absolutely brutal - he is quite impressive, and his Exchequer is one of my favorite blogs.

    but hey, don't worry. repealing the Bush Tax cuts will get us everything we need, right?
    If we just spend MORE, and borrow more, we can work our way out of this
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    weren't conservatives complaining about how big, complex, and long the bill was? Seems entirely plausible to me.
    It is more plausible, given the defense of the issue presented in the OP link, that it was intentional.

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