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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Um, there's plenty of statistical basis for the idea that the government provides health care more efficiently than the private sector.
    Statistical basis?
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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    The point is, if you don't mind, is that the doctors aren't going into it.
    WTF? Medical schools are packed to the brim, admitting as many students as they possibly can and still rejecting most qualified applicants. The bottleneck in our system comes from a lack of capacity. There is no shortage of people who want to go into medicine...if anything we need a lot MORE medical schools to accommodate all the excess demand.
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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    WTF? Medical schools are packed to the brim, admitting as many students as they possibly can and still rejecting most qualified applicants. The bottleneck in our system comes from a lack of capacity. There is no shortage of people who want to go into medicine...if anything we need a lot MORE medical schools to accommodate all the excess demand.
    link please? nevermind, I doubt you have one.


    Here, this reflects reality, not opinion...

    https://www.aamc.org/download/251636...llment2011.pdf
    First-year medical school enrollment in 2015-16 is projected to reach 21,041; 27.6
    percent above first-year medical school enrollment in 2002-03.
    • Almost half (47.8%) of the 2002-2015 enrollment growth has already occurred,

    On the other hand, more schools in 2010 (52%) than in 2009 (39%) indicated
    concern with their ability to maintain or increase enrollment due to economic
    considerations.
    • More than half of respondents (58%) indicated being concerned with the
    supply of qualified preceptors, and almost three-quarters (72%) indicated being
    concerned with the number of clinical training sites.
    • There appears to be greater concern with the supply of qualified primary care
    preceptors compared to specialty care preceptors (78% and 54%, respectively).
    • In response to growing concerns in the health policy community, 94 schools
    (75% of the 125 respondents) reported instituting or considering initiatives to
    encourage primary care.
    So yes, there is an increase in medical school enrollment...but it is not staggering, and there are issues with having qualified instructors available. They could fill the schools to the brim, but that won't matter if there is a shortage of instructors... especially primary care instructors.
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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    link please? nevermind, I doubt you have one.
    Here, take a look at these med school rankings and the selectivity of various schools:
    Medical school rankings

    Now, some of them (the Harvards and Johns Hopkins of the world) are obviously selective, and that's fine. So let's go to the middle of the rankings and look at a run-of-the-mill medical school. I picked the University of South Florida, but pick any school with a middle-to-low rank that you like. Then click on "details" to look at how selective the school actually is. USF's average MCAT score is a 31 (an 80th percentile score), and its average undergrad GPA was a 3.80. That's great for USF, but bad for our health care system. When OK-but-not-great med schools boast impressive scores like that, we have a big bottleneck in our system and it's a big problem.

    Here, this reflects reality, not opinion...

    https://www.aamc.org/download/251636...llment2011.pdf
    And nothing in this contradicts anything I said.

    So yes, there is an increase in medical school enrollment...but it is not staggering,
    I see what you did there. See, you're trying to shift the discussion from what I actually said (medical schools are already at full capacity and they're a major bottleneck) with what you want to *pretend* I said (medical schools are quickly increasing their enrollment and it may pose a bottleneck in the future if they eventually reach full capacity, but we're OK for now).

    and there are issues with having qualified instructors available. They could fill the schools to the brim, but that won't matter if there is a shortage of instructors... especially primary care instructors.
    When I said that "we need more medical schools" I assumed that people would be smart enough to draw the logical conclusion that "we also need to hire people to staff those new medical schools." Sorry if I overestimated your deductive abilities.
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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    WTF? Medical schools are packed to the brim, admitting as many students as they possibly can and still rejecting most qualified applicants. The bottleneck in our system comes from a lack of capacity. There is no shortage of people who want to go into medicine...if anything we need a lot MORE medical schools to accommodate all the excess demand.
    Experts warn there won't be enough doctors to treat the millions of people newly insured under the law. At current graduation and training rates, the nation could face a shortage of as many as 150,000 doctors in the next 15 years, according to the Association of American Medical Colleges.
    U.S. Faces Shortage of Doctors - WSJ.com
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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Suuuuuurre! What an "accident."

    to be fair, I completely buy that they had no idea what was in this thing when they passed it. after the public beating, and the push, and putting Everything On The Line... they needed it to say "Health Care Reform" at the top and "President Obama" at the bottom - everything else was just filler.

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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    When I said that "we need more medical schools" I assumed that people would be smart enough to draw the logical conclusion that "we also need to hire people to staff those new medical schools." Sorry if I overestimated your deductive abilities.
    in which case we also need to break the power of the Medical Cartel, the AMA, which currently limits those schools and the number of people they can take in. It's in their best interest, after all, to keep doctors expensive.

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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

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    That would be great if everyone paid income taxes, buuuut...
    Buut.. Places like GE, billion dollar companies don't pay taxes because?? So I wouldn't worry about the poor not paying taxes.. I would be more conserned about the rich not paying taxes.. Right.. But your conservative so that means what?? Conservatives kiss the arses of rich at the expense of the poor?? Talk about a redistribution of wealth..

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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    in which case we also need to break the power of the Medical Cartel, the AMA, which currently limits those schools and the number of people they can take in. It's in their best interest, after all, to keep doctors expensive.
    No way, all we need is UHC.
    It's the super magical fix everything solution. /sarcasm

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