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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, clearly that's exactly what he said. "Know what they're getting into" is totally the same ****ing thing as goddamned precognition. Like, when I read weather forecasts and picture what sort of flight conditions I'll likely encounter, I'm seeing the future.
    The point is, if you don't mind, is that the doctors aren't going into it.
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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    We cannot afford it. So you hate America and want to enslave future Generations to unsustainable debt?
    What do you base this "We cannot afford it" on? So you hate Americans who need health care, but support corporations trying to deny them.
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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Yes... because I am, somehow, responsible for providing health care to these people.
    Do you consider yourself responsible for taking care of our soldiers when they are in harm's way? Do you consider yourself responsible for maintaining Interstate Highways? Do you consider yourself responsible for paying for police? All these things, and more, require taxes? Are we being overtaxed? That is the question that is up for debate, and while we are at it, we should ask ourselves the following questions:

    1) Is GE a welfare loafer because it paid no taxes at all in 2010, but received subsidies from the Federal government?

    2) How about Morgan Stanley and other banksters, who ran their corporations into the ground, but were given money by the Federal government? Are they welfare loafers?

    3) What about corporate farmers, who get paid to grow nothing?

    4) How about Congress, who get free health care for life? Are they better than the rest of us? I thought they were supposed to be merely public servants.

    5) And how about all those corporations who don't pay a penny of tax because their postal address is a PO box in the Cayman Islands, even though their headquarters are physically located inside the US?

    Just a few examples here, which make me wonder why there is so great of an outcry against poor people, while not a whimper about the rich who pay nothing for the services they demand and receive.
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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    The point is, if you don't mind, is that the doctors aren't going into it.
    Really? Are you sure? Because nowhere in your post did anything remotely similar to that appear.
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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Really? Are you sure? Because nowhere in your post did anything remotely similar to that appear.
    Totally sure. Now do you want to contribute to the conversation or continue making an ass of yourself?
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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Sure there is. People are forced to provide goods and services to those that did not earn them.
    Think where you would be without involuntary servitude. There would have never been a Lewis & Clark expedition, America would have never been mapped, or exist. It must be freightening news that the General Welfare Clause exists, and that Americans must be forced to provide goods and services to a corporate military.
    Thus, involuntary servitude.
    I ask again: Why do you support involuntary servitude?
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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Something similar to this is already in the act and has been revealed years ago:
    Low income persons and families above the Medicaid level and up to 400% of the poverty level will receive subsidies on a sliding scale if they choose to purchase insurance via an exchange (persons at 150% of the poverty level would be subsidized such that their premium cost would be of 2% of income or $50 a month for a family of 4).
    Also the bill will be much easier to pay for in the long run as prices go down for healthcare and revenues go up within the next ten years.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by shintao View Post
    What do you base this "We cannot afford it" on? So you hate Americans who need health care, but support corporations trying to deny them.
    $100,000,000,000,000.00 in unfunded liabilities. (that's NOT counting Obamacare)
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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Are you willing to turn people away from the ERs?

    And Doctors 1) know what they are getting into and 2) can leave at any time they want to.

    there is no involuntary servitude.
    So the idea is that if you knowingly go into servitude its not servitude? Is it just me or does that not make any sense.

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    Re: AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Um, there's plenty of statistical basis for the idea that the government provides health care more efficiently than the private sector.
    For the “idea” of the government running something efficiently …. that I might agree with … but sadly there is a vast difference between the idea of... and the reality of running something efficiently.

    You are talking about the same government that has run up 14 trillion dollars of debt ? That has over 60 trillion dollars of unfunded promises in medicare and social security ? The same government that efficiently runs welfare .. or our defense spending ?? Or something as small as Amtrak that only requires we donate about a billion a year to keep it running?

    I'm sorry … until our government can show they can run anything efficiently, I'm not in favor of giving them something else run, let alone something that is going to cost trillions of dollars.

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