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    New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 Victims - FoxNews.com

    A group of New York City atheists is demanding that the city remove a street sign honoring seven firefighters killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks because they say the sign violates the separation of church and state.

    The street, “Seven in Heaven Way,” was officially dedicated last weekend in Brooklyn outside the firehouse where the firefighters once served. The ceremony was attended by dozens of firefighters, city leaders and widows of the fallen men.

    “There should be no signage or displays of religious nature in the public domain,” said Ken Bronstein, president of New York City Atheists. “It’s really insulting to us.” Bronstein told Fox News Radio that his organization was especially concerned with the use of the word “heaven.” “We’ve concluded as atheists there is no heaven and there’s no hell,” he said.
    Ah, yes, here's your American atheist in full form.

    Question: If you truly believe there is no such thing as God, and therefore our lives and deaths don't really mean anything, why do you care? Why is this such a big deal? Is this not like scolding people for watching vampire movies, or children for watching Barney?

    Or is it......you crave worth and attention and must be acknowledged no matter what.

    Atheists are funny. They've created an existence out of nothing. I don't believe in unicorns, but I didn't fashion a title for myself, nor do I practice within a group, to acknowledge that I don't believe in unicorns.

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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

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    Ah, yes, here's your American atheist in full form.

    Question: If you truly believe there is no such thing as God, and therefore our lives and deaths don't really mean anything, why do you care? Why is this such a big deal? Is this not like scolding people for watching vampire movies, or children for watching Barney?

    Or is it......you crave worth and attention and must be acknowledged no matter what.

    Atheists are funny. They've created an existence out of nothing. I don't believe in unicorns, but I didn't fashion a title for myself, nor do I practice within a group, to acknowledge that I don't believe in unicorns.
    Oh no if they name streets signs with a religious or semi-religious message in it we will have forced church service, the inquisition and the Salam Witch trials all over again.......Oh the horror.
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    I think this group is an ill-considered representation of all athiests, so I'll ignore your generalizations there.

    I have no problem with those black and white God billboards, or church advertisements, or evangelicals on television. I don't really care of we name a street "God's way", "The Path of Christ" or anything else. This is one group of idiots trying to bring publicity to their cause. Not being an active believer in God, I still don't see any justification for their argument. This sign in no way violates Separation of Church and State assuming the men who died were all of a Christian orientation, so their argument is moot, too.

    All of that said, why is it not okay for them to act like idiots, but perfectly okay for you to disrespect their beliefs?
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Question: If you truly believe there is no such thing as God, and therefore our lives and deaths don't really mean anything, why do you care? Why is this such a big deal?
    It's not a big deal at all. In fact, the vast majority of atheists don't give a damned. The fact of the matter is the group of people you so eagerly call American Atheist in full form is not what you want it to mean. You've essentially grouped the whole of atheists together, and for the most part we don't really speak out on things such as this. There's a vocal minority of anti-theists out there, but those people have political agenda and try to push it. I typically ignore them because they tend to be ignorant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Atheists are funny. They've created an existence out of nothing. I don't believe in unicorns, but I didn't fashion a title for myself, nor do I practice within a group, to acknowledge that I don't believe in unicorns.
    We don't really do that either. But hey, thanks for the generalizations and misrepresentations of an entire community.
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    I don't believe in God nor do I want anything religious in my life, but this is honestly just stupid **** to complain about.
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    somebody's always outraged about something.

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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    This atheist has more in common with the people that freak out when NBC left out "under god" then he probably thinks.

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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
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    Ah, yes, here's your American atheist in full form.

    Question: If you truly believe there is no such thing as God, and therefore our lives and deaths don't really mean anything, why do you care? Why is this such a big deal? Is this not like scolding people for watching vampire movies, or children for watching Barney?

    Or is it......you crave worth and attention and must be acknowledged no matter what.

    Atheists are funny. They've created an existence out of nothing. I don't believe in unicorns, but I didn't fashion a title for myself, nor do I practice within a group, to acknowledge that I don't believe in unicorns.
    This (I'm assuming very small) group of atheists are complaining about something very silly. Fred Phelps and his small cult of a church do stupid things. If this small group of atheists represent all atheists then I'll go ahead and posit that Phelps represents all Christians.

    Unless you're willing to walk back your generalization, why do you think that protesting dead soldiers funerals are a good thing? Why do you think God hates gay people?
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Question: If you truly believe there is no such thing as God,
    OK
    and therefore our lives and deaths don't really mean anything,
    Where did you get that as a "therefore"?

    You're also generalizing atheists.

    And the notion that atheists desire to get attention, when you're comparing christians to atheists, is just absurd. You're making a fool of yourself in complaining about this. Ignore it, they are free to do that, and you make way too many obvious mistakes when you attempted to be critical of them out of...probably out of the goodness of your god-blessed-heart I'm guessing.

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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    If you truly believe there is no such thing as God, and therefore our lives and deaths don't really mean anything,
    I think in a way it can mean more to atheists. It's your one life. Live it up, spend time with loved ones, cherish every moment.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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