chuckles- this whole thread is a fair tale.
Religion is a belief either you believe or your don't. There is no fact needed. Asking one to prove his belief is just asinine ..
Nonsense. The assertion that Jesus Christ is the son of the one true god, and any number of the propositions contained in scripture are
literally true,
is a scientific claim, and a horrifically bogus one, at that. There is
absolutely nothing that purports to represent
anything true about the real world that can be said to be 'outside' of science. That, by definition,
is science.
Usually I come back to them with prove to me that you love your wife or kids. give me undeniable proof. They can't either, so I guess using the same system .. .they don't love their wife and kids either.
Probably because they aren't neurologists, or are unwilling to submit to blood tests and an fMRI. However, using these tools, it would, indeed, be possible to verify this contention.
Atheists choose not to believe in God, and there is nothing wrong with that what-so-ever,
It's not an issue of 'choice', any more than I 'choose' to 'believe' in gravity.
but for them to claim that science is on their side is just as silly,
No, it isn't. If one is truly scientifically minded, Atheism is the only option, everything else is irrational.
science has offered up their view of how the universe was created, but that is all it is their view.... after all we all know that science have never been wrong before right ? Believing in a science that is claiming how something .. anything happened a billion years ago ….. is nothing more then a belief … it's certainly cannot be called factual.
Ok, here's the root of the problem; you are suffering from a very poor understanding of science.
Like the Dude said; 'Yeah, well, y'know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.' Except that isn't it at all. There are a number of fundamental problems with this.
You're talking as if scripture and science were on equal footing;
they aren't even close. Scientists base conclusions on mountains of data and physical evidence, and they tend to be conservative. Scripture makes very extreme and completely unsubstantiated claims, which we are supposed to accept, wholeheartedly, at face value.
You're assertion that scientists have been wrong in the past, and will probably be wrong again in the future, is, at it's face, a banal and obvious truism. However, what you are
really doing is expressing a deeper skepticism about science as a project, or, more fundamentally, even the concept of truth, itself. This is bogus for a number of reasons. First and foremost, science is really unique in that it gets better over time, it continually gives us better tools and better answers, to make better tools to get even better answers. Also, science has progressed substantially from the dark ages. We are within arm's reach of a unified theory of physics which explains
everything in the universe,; from subatomic particles, to supermassive black holes, etc. Medicine, biology, you name it, we're running out of mysteries. The list of questions science can't, or hasn't, answer(ed) is getting shorter
by the day. The prospect that we're going to find out we're horribly mistaken about some fundamental truth, like consciousness exists in the brain, (I think we're going to disagree on that one.) or gravity is a force exerted by bodies proportional to their mass, etc., that this will turn out to be wrong, at this stage in the game, is ****ing preposterous.
True to form, you are making very authoritative statements about Astrophysics that you are
completely unqualified to make. Rather than making bold, unsubstantiated assertions, I recommend you check yourself out a textbook, or simply ask a scientist, who, I'm sure, would be happy to explain this to you. How can we know, definitively, what happened a billion years ago? For one thing, we can measure Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation with satellites like WMAP, which gives us a picture of the universe
over 12 billion years ago, roughly 400,000 years after the Big Bang. There are also a number of other techniques and tools, which one could easily find out about if one was inclined to look. The proposed Laser Interferometer Satellite AKA LISA, proposed for 2018/2020, which measures gravity waves, will be
far more accurate, giving us a picture of the universe within
one trillionth of a second after the Big Bang.
Those that choose to not believe, will believe what “fits” their beliefs, those that chose to believe choose to believe what “fits” their beliefs... it's really all nothing more then a matter of what one believes …
No, it isn't. See above.