Page 8 of 18 FirstFirst ... 678910 ... LastLast
Results 71 to 80 of 172

Thread: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

  1. #71
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Last Seen
    11-17-17 @ 12:48 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    19,610

    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    chuckles- this whole thread is a fair tale.

    Religion is a “belief” either you believe or your don't. There is no fact needed. Asking one to prove his belief is just asinine ….. Usually I come back to them with prove to me that you love your wife or kids …. give me undeniable proof. They can't either, so I guess using the same system .. .they don't love their wife and kids either.
    I've always liked that response.

  2. #72
    Professor

    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    MI and AZ
    Last Seen
    03-15-15 @ 01:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    1,581

    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    I'm sorry they feel insulted. I wonder how insulted the families feel that they want to take a road sign dedicated to firefighters and make a scene out of it.
    Maybe one of the firefighters was an atheist and his loss was greater than the rest because he is not in heaven.

  3. #73
    A Man Without A Country
    Mr. Invisible's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    New Jersey
    Last Seen
    12-09-17 @ 06:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    4,957
    Blog Entries
    71

    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    I really don't get what the big deal is, so it has the word "heaven" in it. Is that hurting anyone? No. So why make a big deal over it?
    "And in the end, we were all just humans, drunk on the idea that love, only love, could heal our brokenness."

  4. #74
    Civil Libertarian
    DashingAmerican's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Alabama
    Last Seen
    08-31-17 @ 05:39 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    3,357

    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Maybe one of the firefighters was an atheist and his loss was greater than the rest because he is not in heaven.
    If that is the case then the sign is an atrocity. That being said, if that was so, the family would have complained.
    If you strike me down, I'll become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

  5. #75
    Civil Libertarian
    DashingAmerican's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Alabama
    Last Seen
    08-31-17 @ 05:39 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    3,357

    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I really don't get what the big deal is, so it has the word "heaven" in it. Is that hurting anyone? No. So why make a big deal over it?
    What's really crazy is that most of this would probably never have happened if they added an "s" to it.
    If you strike me down, I'll become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

  6. #76
    Basketball Nerd
    StillBallin75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Vilseck, Germany
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 07:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    21,896

    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    What's really crazy is that most of this would probably never have happened if they added an "s" to it.
    Seven in Heaven Ways?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

  7. #77
    Civil Libertarian
    DashingAmerican's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Alabama
    Last Seen
    08-31-17 @ 05:39 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    3,357

    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Seven in Heaven Ways?
    No, like "Seven in the Heavens" Way
    If you strike me down, I'll become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

  8. #78
    Basketball Nerd
    StillBallin75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Vilseck, Germany
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 07:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    21,896

    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    No, like "Seven in the Heavens" Way
    Hmm, I'm not sure if that would've made a difference to these idiots. Seems that they took offense to any mention of the work "heaven," period.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

  9. #79
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Last Seen
    05-06-12 @ 11:12 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    9,800

    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Religious people continually demand their beliefs be respected
    And now you are generalizing as well?

  10. #80
    Professor
    NGNM85's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Boston, MA
    Last Seen
    11-10-17 @ 11:39 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    1,571

    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    chuckles- this whole thread is a fair tale.

    Religion is a belief either you believe or your don't. There is no fact needed. Asking one to prove his belief is just asinine ..
    Nonsense. The assertion that Jesus Christ is the son of the one true god, and any number of the propositions contained in scripture are literally true, is a scientific claim, and a horrifically bogus one, at that. There is absolutely nothing that purports to represent anything true about the real world that can be said to be 'outside' of science. That, by definition, is science.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Usually I come back to them with prove to me that you love your wife or kids. give me undeniable proof. They can't either, so I guess using the same system .. .they don't love their wife and kids either.
    Probably because they aren't neurologists, or are unwilling to submit to blood tests and an fMRI. However, using these tools, it would, indeed, be possible to verify this contention.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Atheists choose not to believe in God, and there is nothing wrong with that what-so-ever,
    It's not an issue of 'choice', any more than I 'choose' to 'believe' in gravity.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    but for them to claim that science is on their side is just as silly,
    No, it isn't. If one is truly scientifically minded, Atheism is the only option, everything else is irrational.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    science has offered up their view of how the universe was created, but that is all it is their view.... after all we all know that science have never been wrong before right ? Believing in a science that is claiming how something .. anything happened a billion years ago ….. is nothing more then a belief … it's certainly cannot be called factual.
    Ok, here's the root of the problem; you are suffering from a very poor understanding of science.

    Like the Dude said; 'Yeah, well, y'know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.' Except that isn't it at all. There are a number of fundamental problems with this.

    You're talking as if scripture and science were on equal footing; they aren't even close. Scientists base conclusions on mountains of data and physical evidence, and they tend to be conservative. Scripture makes very extreme and completely unsubstantiated claims, which we are supposed to accept, wholeheartedly, at face value.

    You're assertion that scientists have been wrong in the past, and will probably be wrong again in the future, is, at it's face, a banal and obvious truism. However, what you are really doing is expressing a deeper skepticism about science as a project, or, more fundamentally, even the concept of truth, itself. This is bogus for a number of reasons. First and foremost, science is really unique in that it gets better over time, it continually gives us better tools and better answers, to make better tools to get even better answers. Also, science has progressed substantially from the dark ages. We are within arm's reach of a unified theory of physics which explains everything in the universe,; from subatomic particles, to supermassive black holes, etc. Medicine, biology, you name it, we're running out of mysteries. The list of questions science can't, or hasn't, answer(ed) is getting shorter by the day. The prospect that we're going to find out we're horribly mistaken about some fundamental truth, like consciousness exists in the brain, (I think we're going to disagree on that one.) or gravity is a force exerted by bodies proportional to their mass, etc., that this will turn out to be wrong, at this stage in the game, is ****ing preposterous.

    True to form, you are making very authoritative statements about Astrophysics that you are completely unqualified to make. Rather than making bold, unsubstantiated assertions, I recommend you check yourself out a textbook, or simply ask a scientist, who, I'm sure, would be happy to explain this to you. How can we know, definitively, what happened a billion years ago? For one thing, we can measure Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation with satellites like WMAP, which gives us a picture of the universe over 12 billion years ago, roughly 400,000 years after the Big Bang. There are also a number of other techniques and tools, which one could easily find out about if one was inclined to look. The proposed Laser Interferometer Satellite AKA LISA, proposed for 2018/2020, which measures gravity waves, will be far more accurate, giving us a picture of the universe within one trillionth of a second after the Big Bang.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Those that choose to not believe, will believe what “fits” their beliefs, those that chose to believe choose to believe what “fits” their beliefs... it's really all nothing more then a matter of what one believes …
    No, it isn't. See above.
    Economic Left/Right: -7.25, Authoritarian/Libertarian:-7.13
    All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume. -Noam Chomsky

Page 8 of 18 FirstFirst ... 678910 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •