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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Seeing how a lot of atheist say God is a fairy tale the bible is nothing more than a Harry Potter book then I am pretty sure they have no problem claiming God is not real.
    As an Atheist, who associates with many other Atheists, I feel fairly qualified to judge.

    Those are two different propositions. The Bible is mostly nonsense, and should be dismissed fairly quickly. However, that says nothing about the prospect of a supreme being, or 'prime mover' (Deism) which is a little more resilient. In that case, it's more of an issue of a lack of evidence, as well as the fact that our present understanding of physics and biology is such that we can imagine a compelling picture of the origin of the universe, etc., without resorting to such concepts as god.
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant "idiotic generalizations ABOUT atheists."
    Oh. Fine. Good. Carry on!
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    I was never trying to say their right to be hateful assholes shouldn't be defended. Just that defending hateful assholery itself shouldn't.
    I don't understand the distinction. Could you clarify?

    Not giving you a hard time, just trying to grog what you're saying.

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Likewise, I don't think the OP is challenging the right of this atheist group to be whiny and ridiculous. He was, for some reason, expecting atheists to defend whiny ridiculousness itself. Which, nearest, I can tell, none of us really have...
    I agree. The OP displayed the same kind of silliness I've seen "liberals" throw at "conservatives" and vice versa on this board.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you this time. Maybe you're different, but I've found most atheists I've met online to be assholes when discussing or debating religion. They usually turn into mouthfoaming rabid animals, shortly after the debate begins. Don't believe me, just hang around. They're not just non-believers, they hate religion with a passion. Words like "Flat-earthers" usually pops up at least once in every debate with them. Then they'll start talking about how the founders were deists or atheists and hated God with all their souls, especially Thomas Jefferson.
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I don't understand the distinction. Could you clarify?

    Not giving you a hard time, just trying to grog what you're saying.
    Defending their right to say it vs. defending what they're saying as being legitimate or correct.

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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Okie doke, I gets it now, didn't get it before.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    chuckles- this whole thread is a fair tale.

    Religion is a “belief” either you believe or your don't. There is no fact needed. Asking one to prove his belief is just asinine ….. Usually I come back to them with prove to me that you love your wife or kids …. give me undeniable proof. They can't either, so I guess using the same system .. .they don't love their wife and kids either.

    Atheists choose not to believe in God, and there is nothing wrong with that what-so-ever, but for them to claim that science is on their side is just as silly, science has offered up their view of how the universe was created, but that is all it is … their view.... after all we all know that science have never been wrong before right ? Believing in a science that is claiming how something .. anything happened a billion years ago ….. is nothing more then a belief … it's certainly cannot be called factual.

    Those that choose to not believe, will believe what “fits” their beliefs, those that chose to believe choose to believe what “fits” their beliefs... it's really all nothing more then a matter of what one believes …

    As for the op …. it's just another example of the new age we are living in, designed to separate people, 20 to 30 years ago .. this would have been a non story and only known to those that happened to be involved one way or the other.

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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    chuckles- this whole thread is a fair tale.

    Religion is a “belief” either you believe or your don't. There is no fact needed. Asking one to prove his belief is just asinine ….. Usually I come back to them with prove to me that you love your wife or kids …. give me undeniable proof. They can't either, so I guess using the same system .. .they don't love their wife and kids either.

    Atheists choose not to believe in God, and there is nothing wrong with that what-so-ever, but for them to claim that science is on their side is just as silly, science has offered up their view of how the universe was created, but that is all it is … their view.... after all we all know that science have never been wrong before right ? Believing in a science that is claiming how something .. anything happened a billion years ago ….. is nothing more then a belief … it's certainly cannot be called factual.

    Those that choose to not believe, will believe what “fits” their beliefs, those that chose to believe choose to believe what “fits” their beliefs... it's really all nothing more then a matter of what one believes …

    As for the op …. it's just another example of the new age we are living in, designed to separate people, 20 to 30 years ago .. this would have been a non story and only known to those that happened to be involved one way or the other.
    Your answer evades the question. I seriously doubt anyone has ever asked you to prove you believe. They're asking you to prove what you believe IN. The logic of your answer is backwards enough that it probably caused them to stare at you just long enough for you to be able to claim "See? You're no more rational than me!" before they had a chance to articulate why that's a fallacious argument.

    And trying to equate science, which is based on a consistent methadology, provable reality, and a mind-boggling succession of checks and balances to a belief in a deity created by cavemen is a very standard and yet unbelievably offensive display of intellectual dishonesty.

    People don't choose what they believe. I'm not an atheist because it "fits." I'm an atheist because nothing else makes any sense and I can't force myself to believe in something illogical. And I very seriously doubt you're religious because it "fits."

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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    People don't choose what they believe. I'm not an atheist because it "fits." I'm an atheist because nothing else makes any sense and I can't force myself to believe in something illogical. And I very seriously doubt you're religious because it "fits."
    It’s possible, actually I think it’s likely, that there isn’t symmetry in this. You’re an atheist because nothing else makes any sense under studied process of rational assessment. Most haven’t studied anything that approaches assessment. I found the same lack of thinking in engineering. Most engineers would have a concept of how to do something the ‘correct’ way and never question the basis of the ‘correct’ way. When shown in the lab that the ‘correct’ way not correct and the basis was not correct or misapplied, they would still irrationally still believe and defend the ’correct’ way. You don’t even need a god to deny the existence of to have this happen.

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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

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    Ah, yes, here's your American atheist in full form.

    Question: If you truly believe there is no such thing as God, and therefore our lives and deaths don't really mean anything, why do you care? Why is this such a big deal? Is this not like scolding people for watching vampire movies, or children for watching Barney?

    Or is it......you crave worth and attention and must be acknowledged no matter what.

    Atheists are funny. They've created an existence out of nothing. I don't believe in unicorns, but I didn't fashion a title for myself, nor do I practice within a group, to acknowledge that I don't believe in unicorns.
    I'm sorry they feel insulted. I wonder how insulted the families feel that they want to take a road sign dedicated to firefighters and make a scene out of it.
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