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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Ah, yes, here's your American atheist in full form.
    These particular atheists are complete idiots.

    I've never met a single atheist that is anything like these particular atheists. Please do not hang this idiocy on atheism.



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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    There is nothing in the Constitution that says there is any " separation of church and state."
    Indeed, the 1st amendment is not a part of the original constitution; those precise words are not required for secularism. There is also the legal precedence.

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    Second what do Atheists fear?
    Money wasted respecting any religion, minority religions being marginalized, stunted scientific progress, creationism in science classes, medical treatment withheld based on delusions, child abuse, pedophiles being protected, unwarranted tax-exemption and illogical ideas given any respect at all.

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    They fight so hard against something they claim doesn't exist. That is kind of nuts isn't it.
    Fighting to not have your tax dollars spent on a delusion != fighting against something they claim doesn't exist. You cannot fight the flying spaghetti monster for we have no reason to even believe he exists, what you can fight is money being taken from you by force to support the worship of his noodly appendages.
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So... let me get this straight... if it was not for the religious people who are outraged over this and wanting to use it for political gain against the athiest community, a community they hate and want banned if not dealt with like the old days... then this story would have died in its infancy and be registered under "some idiot complains over a name"?
    No, it still would've gotten a mention. These kinds of conflicts sell copy.

    Please do not blame religious people for the circus that is this "news item."
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Will you defend Westboro?
    I've defended Westboro without condoning what they do.

    Whenever the lowest of us wins a civil rights argument, all of us benefit.
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 Victims - FoxNews.com



    Ah, yes, here's your American atheist in full form.

    Question: If you truly believe there is no such thing as God, and therefore our lives and deaths don't really mean anything, why do you care? Why is this such a big deal? Is this not like scolding people for watching vampire movies, or children for watching Barney?

    Or is it......you crave worth and attention and must be acknowledged no matter what.

    Atheists are funny. They've created an existence out of nothing. I don't believe in unicorns, but I didn't fashion a title for myself, nor do I practice within a group, to acknowledge that I don't believe in unicorns.
    The name of the street is stupid - ok - it just is. Aside it being a ridiculous name - I'm actually offended in the reverse: on behalf of religion. Heaven to many people is very sacred and special - not to be plastered on a street sign.

    On the flip side - I've driven down so many religoiusly named streets like 'ascention drive' and 'rapture avenue' in my life I don't find another religiously named street to be out of line.
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I've defended Westboro without condoning what they do.

    Whenever the lowest of us wins a civil rights argument, all of us benefit.
    Agreed, if you don't believe in the freedoms of speech and to organize of your most hated enemy, you don't believe in it IMO.
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I've defended Westboro without condoning what they do.

    Whenever the lowest of us wins a civil rights argument, all of us benefit.
    I was never trying to say their right to be hateful assholes shouldn't be defended. Just that defending hateful assholery itself shouldn't.

    Likewise, I don't think the OP is challenging the right of this atheist group to be whiny and ridiculous. He was, for some reason, expecting atheists to defend whiny ridiculousness itself. Which, nearest, I can tell, none of us really have...

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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I think this group is an ill-considered representation of all athiests, so I'll ignore your generalizations there.

    I have no problem with those black and white God billboards, or church advertisements, or evangelicals on television. I don't really care of we name a street "God's way", "The Path of Christ" or anything else. This is one group of idiots trying to bring publicity to their cause. Not being an active believer in God, I still don't see any justification for their argument. This sign in no way violates Separation of Church and State assuming the men who died were all of a Christian orientation, so their argument is moot, too.

    All of that said, why is it not okay for them to act like idiots, but perfectly okay for you to disrespect their beliefs?
    I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you this time. Maybe you're different, but I've found most atheists I've met online to be assholes when discussing or debating religion. They usually turn into mouthfoaming rabid animals, shortly after the debate begins. Don't believe me, just hang around. They're not just non-believers, they hate religion with a passion. Words like "Flat-earthers" usually pops up at least once in every debate with them. Then they'll start talking about how the founders were deists or atheists and hated God with all their souls, especially Thomas Jefferson.
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    both sides have their crazies. IMO the only people who are offended by something like this are those who are going out of their way to choose to be offended.
    There may be crazy Atheists, but Atheism, by definition, is not crazy.

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    That being said, some of the idiotic generalizations of atheists in this thread are pretty disgusting as well.
    You must be talking about someone else.
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    There may be crazy Atheists, but Atheism, by definition, is not crazy.



    You must be talking about someone else.
    I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant "idiotic generalizations ABOUT atheists."
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