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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    So... let me get this straight... if it was not for the religious people who are outraged over this and wanting to use it for political gain against the athiest community, a community they hate and want banned if not dealt with like the old days... then this story would have died in its infancy and be registered under "some idiot complains over a name"?
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Why would the absence of God make our lives not have meaning? That doesn't make any sense.
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    That particular breed of atheists (is evangelical atheist an oxymoron?) better stay out of California. We have cities and streets named for saints and religious concepts all over. Our capital is Sacramento (the sacrament), Los Angeles (the angels) is one of our biggest cities, and they wouldn't even feel at home in one of the most liberal cities in the country, Saint Francis (San Francisco).

    They don't like "seven in Heaven?" What a bunch of silliness.
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I think this group is an ill-considered representation of all athiests, so I'll ignore your generalizations there.

    I have no problem with those black and white God billboards, or church advertisements, or evangelicals on television. I don't really care of we name a street "God's way", "The Path of Christ" or anything else. This is one group of idiots trying to bring publicity to their cause. Not being an active believer in God, I still don't see any justification for their argument. This sign in no way violates Separation of Church and State assuming the men who died were all of a Christian orientation, so their argument is moot, too.

    All of that said, why is it not okay for them to act like idiots, but perfectly okay for you to disrespect their beliefs?

    Their belief is that there can be no religious impact in public action, in any shape, fashion or form. They also believe in the false belief that there is a separation of Church and State.
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Their belief is that there can be no religious impact in public action, in any shape, fashion or form.
    Yeah some believe that some don't. Just like some Christians believe we live in a Christian nation and some don't.

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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Their belief is that there can be no religious impact in public action, in any shape, fashion or form. They also believe in the false belief that there is a separation of Church and State.
    There is a separation of church and state, and I'm not sure you "their" or "they" is in this conversation.
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 Victims - FoxNews.com

    Ah, yes, here's your American atheist in full form.

    Question: If you truly believe there is no such thing as God, and therefore our lives and deaths don't really mean anything, why do you care? Why is this such a big deal? Is this not like scolding people for watching vampire movies, or children for watching Barney?

    Or is it......you crave worth and attention and must be acknowledged no matter what.

    Atheists are funny. They've created an existence out of nothing. I don't believe in unicorns, but I didn't fashion a title for myself, nor do I practice within a group, to acknowledge that I don't believe in unicorns.
    I'm a pretty loud atheist, and I think this is silly. Actually, as a writer, I somewhat appreciate the poetry of it. I utilize all sorts of concepts I consider mythological in art.

    So... stupid people come in all stripes. What's new. You seem to have the false impression that atheism in general has any unified ideology. It doesn't. One atheist to another may have absolutely nothing in common apart from a disbelief in deities. We don't work like a religion, as hard as that seems to be for the religious to understand.

    How do you get from a disbelief in god to life having no meaning? I think religion makes life meaningless, actually. This world is just a holding cell to somewhere else to the religious. To an atheist, this is all you get. Your one shot. Better make it count.

    Life has enormous meaning when you're an atheist. You're ignorant of what atheism is, and you refuse to try to understand it.

    You've simply gone out of your way to find the silliest possible representation you could and apply it to all atheists. I can do that too. And guess what - the silliest thing I can find religious people doing is going to be a hell of a lot worse. Will you defend Westboro? How about "Christian scientists" who let their children die of ear infections?
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    There is a separation of church and state, and I'm not sure you "their" or "they" is in this conversation.
    No, there isn't.

    There is a :Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

    The two are not the same.

    For example:

    It is no exaggeration to say that on Sundays in Washington during the administrations of Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) and of James Madison (1809-1817) the state became the church. Within a year of his inauguration, Jefferson began attending church services in the House of Representatives. Madison followed Jefferson's example, although unlike Jefferson, who rode on horseback to church in the Capitol, Madison came in a coach and four. Worship services in the House--a practice that continued until after the Civil War--were acceptable to Jefferson because they were nondiscriminatory and voluntary.
    Religion and the Federal Government: PART 2 (Religion and the Founding of the American Republic, Library of Congress Exhibition)

    The State cannot establish a Religion, that does not mean there can be no religion in Public life.
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Let's play a game... it's called: take one person who believes something and make them represent everyone else!

    Yeah, I'm sure the militant atheist pinko commie revolutionists were out in full force that day.

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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, there isn't.

    There is a :Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

    The two are not the same.

    For example:


    Religion and the Federal Government: PART 2 (Religion and the Founding of the American Republic, Library of Congress Exhibition)

    The State cannot establish a Religion, that does not mean there can be no religion in Public life.
    You apparently have a different definition of "separation of church and state" than I do. Under your definition it would be impossible for anybody of religious bearing to serve the government without violating a sense of "separation"....but that isn't what the phrase refers to...at least not to my understanding.
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