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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Is there a difference between an atheist and an agnostic?

    If so, what?
    It depends on how you define the terms.

    Most atheists tend to define atheism as a lack of belief in gods. This would include all people who are absolutely sure gods do not exist to people who don't know if gods exist or not. Key word is "belief" as opposed to "knowledge.

    Agnosticism deals with knowledge, not belief. People can be agnostic or gnostic in reference to gods or any other thing but its usually in reference to gods.

    So people can be any combination of agnostic/gnostic atheist/theist. That pretty much covers all the ground for god beliefs.
    If you believe in the Supernatural then you can become a millionaire!

    Questioning or criticizing another's core beliefs is inadvertently perceived as offensive and rude.

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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Is there a difference between an atheist and an agnostic?

    If so, what?
    Agnosticism addresses the epistemological question of what you know. IMO everyone is an agnostic because no one truly "knows." Whether or not you believe in a particular deity makes you a theist or an atheist regarding it.

    I for example am an agnostic atheist, for I do not know of any gods nor do I believe in them. Most are agnostic theists, they know nothing that I do not but believe anyways. Few are gnostic theists, who believe because they know; these are the type who claim to have witnessed miracles, or have spoken to divine agents personally.

    Logically speaking, no one can have knowledge of a particular deity's nonexistence; but the inability to logically disprove any deity is no reason to believe in it. Else one is equally compelled to believe in ALL myths. Those who claim to know about the nonexistence of any god that they do not have firsthand knowledge of it's myths creation is committing the same fallacy as those who claim to know of a deity's existence.

    IMO atheism is a non-belief system, its just what we call people who remain unconvinced by illogical, and anti-scientific ideas. We only use the term because most of our species is theistic, otherwise we do not have labels for people based on things they do not believe in. We do not call people nonastrologers, or a-unicornists. But in truth, you're an atheist in respect to every single god people have believed in that you do not.
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