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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

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    Questioning or criticizing another's core beliefs is inadvertently perceived as offensive and rude.

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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I've actually had a conversation with a few staunchly religious people on this board and we came to the conclusion that, most often, it isn't a matter of atheists being rabid and aggressive assholes, so much as it's a matter of two fundamentally opposed ideologies crashing into one another. Atheists believe the bible is an allegorical tale written by man and, as such, is just a really, really well-selling fiction book. Because of this, many religious practices and beliefs are just ridiculous. There is a fine line between pointing out a personal opinion regarding how ridiculous some religious practices are, and not offending somebody who is religious. Sometimes, people cannot remove themselves from the argument and take things personally. For example, I asked in a rapture thread if any Christian felt that the text of the rapture, or the premise for it, seemed even slightly illogical or impractical to them. In posing that question, I offended several Christians in the thread. It was not my intent to ridicule their entire belief system, but they certainly took it that way. Is it my fault for not posing a question that wouldn't have derived the answer I was looking for, or generated the train of thought I was seeking to take part in? Is it their fault for having trouble understanding that my perspective is diametrically opposed to theirs?

    People assume that an atheist's approach is hostile and offensive because it can't be perceived any other way by the staunchly religious. We aren't mocking the person, we're challenging the system. If that differentiation can't be made then the debate won't move forward. Religious adherents will think we're hateful, mocking bastards, and we'll think that religious adherents are close-minded and incapable of questioning themselves.
    When atheists tell you that your beliefs are fiction and ridiculous or joke about a sky daddy, I think they're trying to be offensive. I don't think there is any doubt about it.
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    When atheists tell you that your beliefs are fiction and ridiculous or joke about a sky daddy, I think they're trying to be offensive. I don't think there is any doubt about it.
    Totally and completely agree.

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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    When atheists tell you that your beliefs are fiction and ridiculous or joke about a sky daddy, I think they're trying to be offensive. I don't think there is any doubt about it.
    The thing about offense is that it's a choice. Whether they're actually trying to be offended or not, you're making a choice about whether you will be or not. I believe that much of the bible is fiction. I'm not trying to offend you when I say that; I'm expressing my belief. If my belief is offensive to you that is beyong my control.
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The thing about offense is that it's a choice. Whether they're actually trying to be offended or not, you're making a choice about whether you will be or not. I believe that much of the bible is fiction. I'm not trying to offend you when I say that; I'm expressing my belief. If my belief is offensive to you that is beyong my control.
    They are making a choice as well, and they made the choice first. So why is the onus on me regarding the offense? Hmmm?
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Totally and completely agree.
    I'm speechless.
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The thing about offense is that it's a choice. Whether they're actually trying to be offended or not, you're making a choice about whether you will be or not. I believe that much of the bible is fiction. I'm not trying to offend you when I say that; I'm expressing my belief. If my belief is offensive to you that is beyong my control.
    He's not talking about the choice to be offended, he's talking about the choice to try to be offensive. People can and do, in fact, choose words and phrases in order to offend other people. One can recognize these choices without actually being offended.

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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    When atheists tell you that your beliefs are fiction and ridiculous or joke about a sky daddy, I think they're trying to be offensive. I don't think there is any doubt about it.
    What is your opinion of other Holy Books? Are you being offensive if you don't accept them as truth?
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    Re: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 victims

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    When atheists tell you that your beliefs are fiction and ridiculous or joke about a sky daddy, I think they're trying to be offensive. I don't think there is any doubt about it.
    Oh, cmon now. Comparing God to Unicorns is JUST LIKE comparing apples to apples.

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