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    McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    SIERRA VISTA, Ariz. (AP) - As if Arizona's immigration debate wasn't already hot, Sen. John McCain has ignited a barrage of criticism by saying that there is "substantial evidence" that illegal immigrants are partly responsible for wildfires in the state.
    McCain is standing by the statement he made over the weekend as he toured a massive wildfire in eastern Arizona, but immigrant rights advocates say the state's senior senator is using illegal immigrants as scapegoats. Authorities have said humans started the three major blazes in Arizona, but investigators don't know any more details.
    "It's his constant refrain for everything that ails mankind," said Roberto Reveles, the founding president and a current member of the Phoenix-based Hispanic civil rights group Somos America. "It just seems like we have an epidemic of, 'Blame it all on the illegal aliens, blame it all on the Mexicans.' It's amazing that the public doesn't rebel against this type of scapegoating."


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    I love how the AP misrepresents what McCain said here....McCain was speaking about the southern fire, and was citing congressional testimony from the border patrol, and Parks service when he said that cooking fires, and such were responsible for a substantial number of wild fires in southern border regions....

    These reporters " " have to know this. They are intentionally lying in their story.


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    Re: McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    C'mon, does anyone really doubt this with the state starting to finally stand up to these illegals?

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    Re: McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I love how the AP misrepresents what McCain said here....McCain was speaking about the southern fire, and was citing congressional testimony from the border patrol, and Parks service when he said that cooking fires, and such were responsible for a substantial number of wild fires in southern border regions....

    These reporters " " have to know this. They are intentionally lying in their story.


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    Re: McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    McCain is right. The weather is so dry in the region that those passing into the country illegally do cause many of the fires. I do not understand why these immigrant groups think that US citizens should want to protect peoples who are illegally pouring into this nation and acting more as a burden than a benefit.

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    Re: McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    McCain is right. The weather is so dry in the region that those passing into the country illegally do cause many of the fires. I do not understand why these immigrant groups think that US citizens should want to protect peoples who are illegally pouring into this nation and acting more as a burden than a benefit.
    I can't speak for Arizona, but the wildfires near Houston have specific causes.

    1) The Stoneham fire (Grimes County) - Started by 2 white guys accidentally tipping over a barbeque pit.

    2) The Bearing fire (Near Huntsville) - Started by a white guy who pulled off the road and an overheated bearing on trailer he was pulling caught brush on fire.

    3) The Dyer Mills Fire (Grimes County) - Started by someone throwing a lit cigarette he was finished smoking out his car window. There is no evidence that this man was Hispanic. He could have been, but he could have also been black or white.

    4) The Jasper County Fire - Started by white hunters shooting at acetylene bottles. Sparks from the bullets hitting the bottles started the fire.

    Illegal aliens abound in all the above areas.

    1) Do illegal aliens cause some fires? Probably, but statistics bear out the fact that the race of those who start fires, either intentionally or accidentally, is independent of the fires themselves.

    2) Does John McCain hate illegals, and is John McCain looking to scapegoat illegals? Hell no. But here is the problem. The phrase "Illegal alien" is such a hot button phrase that mentioning it in a sentence tends to make people believe that the illegal alien is strongly associated with other items in that sentence. Here is an example sentence, which I am pulling out of my ass:

    The body was found dismembered, in an area that illegal aliens frequent.

    And there you have an association, which would tend to make people jump to the conclusion that illegal aliens probably murdered the person.

    John McCain is a pretty decent person, and is not a racist, but he is prone to making gaffes, which IMHO, this is one. It's nothing to accuse McCain of racism over, but McCain has shown here, and also in the past, that he is not the brightest crayon in the box.
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    Re: McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    Well, that's great anecdotal evidence dana, but how do you square that with testimony given to the hearing that McCain was referencing?


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    Re: McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    IMO, the controversy is largely self-inflicted, not the consequence of media bias. At root is the Senator's below average communication skills, one factor that hurt him during his 2008 Presidential campaign. If one goes to news accounts published on the day of his press conference, Senator McCain did not cite previous Congressional testimony. CNN reported:

    "There is substantial evidence that some of these fires have been caused by people who have crossed our border illegally," McCain, R-Arizona, said Saturday at a press conference. "The answer to that part of the problem is to get a secure border."

    The Arizona senator, however, did not say what the evidence is...
    McCain blames some Arizona wildfires on illegal immigrants - CNN.com

    Had the Senator specified to what evidence he was referring, there would likely have been much less controversy. However, he didn't. In failing to do so, he lost control of the situation and let his omission shape perceptions.

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    Re: McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    OK, you're an illegal running drugs and people into the United States across the Arizona border. Doesn't a succession of forest fires attract attention and manpower away from securing the borders? Does it not behoove you to create such a distraction?

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    Re: McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    The Liberal treatment of the illegal alien problem seems to be deny it's real and eventually we'll forget about it.

    From what I can figure out most crimes illegal aliens commit never make the news.

    Since I was a little kid living just east of San Diego illegal aliens have been starting fires in the back country.

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    Re: McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    The Liberal treatment of the illegal alien problem seems to be deny it's real and eventually we'll forget about it.

    From what I can figure out most crimes illegal aliens commit never make the news.

    Since I was a little kid living just east of San Diego illegal aliens have been starting fires in the back country.
    And so have white people. Of the 20 major wildfires going on in Southeast Texas right now, not a single one was started by an illegal alien, although there are plenty of illegal aliens here. But I can see how it is so easy to blame it all on illegals. Don't get me wrong. I don't like illegals living here any more than you do, but I am not going to accuse them of anything without any evidence....... Oh yea, evidence. That's a novel idea. Do you have any evidence that illegals set the fires in Arizona? And I mean real hard evidence. Blaming it all on illegals does smack of racism. Not even John McCain, with the gaffe that he made, went where you are going.
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