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    Re: McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And so have white people. Of the 20 major wildfires going on in Southeast Texas right now, not a single one was started by an illegal alien, although there are plenty of illegal aliens here. But I can see how it is so easy to blame it all on illegals. Don't get me wrong. I don't like illegals living here any more than you do, but I am not going to accuse them of anything without any evidence....... Oh yea, evidence. That's a novel idea. Do you have any evidence that illegals set the fires in Arizona? And I mean real hard evidence. Blaming it all on illegals does smack of racism. Not even John McCain, with the gaffe that he made, went where you are going.

    I don't think he went to a racist take on it at all. He didn't use any absolutes in his perceptions of whom may be responsible, but only told us of where he grew up, and what he personally observed.

    Seems alot of people that hold the notion that illegal aliens are just fine here, jump awfully quick to the racism charge to stifle debate about their presence, a tactic used most often by the left in this country dana.

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    Re: McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I love how the AP misrepresents what McCain said here....McCain was speaking about the southern fire, and was citing congressional testimony from the border patrol, and Parks service when he said that cooking fires, and such were responsible for a substantial number of wild fires in southern border regions....

    These reporters " " have to know this. They are intentionally lying in their story.
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    Well, that's great anecdotal evidence dana, but how do you square that with testimony given to the hearing that McCain was referencing?
    Don't source information, bash others for not sourcing information. Ok Mac and Cheese.

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    Re: McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Don't source information, bash others for not sourcing information. Ok Mac and Cheese.

    I was referencing an interview on the morning program with McCain yesterday about that subject...Ok there no so Wiseone?


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    Re: McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I was referencing an interview on the morning program with McCain yesterday about that subject...Ok there no so Wiseone?
    This is the exact definition of an anecdote. Simply saying you saw or heard something, without any other information than you're story to back it up, the literal definition of an anecdote. So, no its not ok because frankly I don't believe you and I want to see the source material for myself because your anecdote isn't good enough.

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    Re: McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is the exact definition of an anecdote. Simply saying you saw or heard something, without any other information than you're story to back it up, the literal definition of an anecdote. So, no its not ok because frankly I don't believe you and I want to see the source material for myself because your anecdote isn't good enough.
    Well I wasn't aware that I had to have your approval to express my opinion on an opinion message board...Plus I don't suspect that even if I searched, and found the interview of McCain saying this in his own words, it would be good enough for you anyway.

    You don't believe me? eh so what. I guess we'll move on then...

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    Re: McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well I wasn't aware that I had to have your approval to express my opinion on an opinion message board...Plus I don't suspect that even if I searched, and found the interview of McCain saying this in his own words, it would be good enough for you anyway.

    You don't believe me? eh so what. I guess we'll move on then...

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    If that's the standard you're upholding, should anyone else be allowed to simply say "I won't convince you anyway, therefore I won't source my material." You wouldn't believe me or many other individuals you consider liberals or whatever else without a source, and even then you also may not believe it. I'm simply asking for a source, I've got no dog in this fight and I'm unbiased. It doesn't matter to me if McCain had a source or not, although I'm quite sure he did, I just want to see the source material McCain based his opinion on to see if, after I read it, I come to a similar conculsion or not, ie if I agree or disagree. Right now I have no opinion other than you're a hypocrite for demanding a source but failing to provide on yourself, but that's really not the topic of this thread.

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    Re: McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    If that's the standard you're upholding, should anyone else be allowed to simply say "I won't convince you anyway, therefore I won't source my material." You wouldn't believe me or many other individuals you consider liberals or whatever else without a source, and even then you also may not believe it. I'm simply asking for a source, I've got no dog in this fight and I'm unbiased. It doesn't matter to me if McCain had a source or not, although I'm quite sure he did, I just want to see the source material McCain based his opinion on to see if, after I read it, I come to a similar conculsion or not, ie if I agree or disagree. Right now I have no opinion other than you're a hypocrite for demanding a source but failing to provide on yourself, but that's really not the topic of this thread.

    Yeah ok....



    There you go.

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    Re: McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    I think he sounds pretty squared away in my opinion. I mean it would be great to see the source material myself but he seemed to reference well enough and with actual quotations. Frankly, I have to agree that some wildfires have been started by illegal immigrants, not all of course just like he said, but some certainly.

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    Re: McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I think he sounds pretty squared away in my opinion. I mean it would be great to see the source material myself but he seemed to reference well enough and with actual quotations. Frankly, I have to agree that some wildfires have been started by illegal immigrants, not all of course just like he said, but some certainly.
    thank you, and I apologize if I jumped the gun on making assumptions on where you were headed with that....I shouldn't have assumed that you had ulterior motives.

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    Re: McCain under fire for blaming blazes on immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I love how the AP misrepresents what McCain said here....McCain was speaking about the southern fire, and was citing congressional testimony from the border patrol, and Parks service when he said that cooking fires, and such were responsible for a substantial number of wild fires in southern border regions....

    These reporters " " have to know this. They are intentionally lying in their story.


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    Maybe McRino is trying to use this so that he can later argue that if we granted Amnesty to illegals then illegals(although he would probably call them undocumented immigrants) would not need to make little campfires thus not causing any more fires.
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