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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, I do. But understand, as i repeat, their combat power was meaningless to us. It was too weak, and was never going to be strong enough to concern us or the region, as we and the UN were protecting the region, with or without NFZs. Those zones only were inplace to protect Iraqis. Trying to pretend Saddam's paper tiger was more than it was is kind of silly.
    Saddam planned to re-invade Kuwait in 1994. I've known this all along and thought ya'll would have picked up on it, by now and stopped the parroting, but I reckon I over-estimated you.

    Now, if Saddam planned to invade Kuwait in 1994, that would make him a clear and present danger to the security of Kuwait and warrant some sort of buffer zone to protect Kuwait. Yes?

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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

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    Saddam planned to re-invade Kuwait in 1994. I've known this all along and thought ya'll would have picked up on it, by now and stopped the parroting, but I reckon I over-estimated you.

    Now, if Saddam planned to invade Kuwait in 1994, that would make him a clear and present danger to the security of Kuwait and warrant some sort of buffer zone to protect Kuwait. Yes?
    Read his mind? However, any plan would have been quickly repelled. It is silly to take that seriously. And no, the NFZ would have made little to no difference. This was not an army that couldn't be removed easily, even easier than the first time. Again, the stated reason was to protect Iraqis, as linked a few times for you. And it certianly had no bearing in 2003. As Saddam's infastructure crumbled, and his ability became less and less, the opposite of growing and gathering btw, no one seriously feared Saddam's army.


    Added: Remeber, the NFZs started in 92.
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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Read his mind? However, any plan would have been quickly repelled. It is silly to take that seriously. And no, the NFZ would have made little to no difference. This was not an army that couldn't be removed easily, even easier than the first time. Again, the stated reason was to protect Iraqis, as linked a few times for you. And it certianly had no bearing in 2003. As Saddam's infastructure crumbled, and his ability became less and less, the opposite of growing and gathering btw, no one seriously feared Saddam's army.
    No, I didn't read his mind. I did some actual ****ing research.

    In 1994, Saddam massed armor on Kuwait's border. It was repelled by Operation Vigilant Warrior.

    Operation Vigilant Warrior - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So much for Saddam not having the will to attack his neighbors, post Desert Storm. I reckon his army wasn't, "destroyed", afterall.

    Edit: Booyaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, I didn't read his mind. I did some actual ****ing research.

    In 1994, Saddam massed armor on Kuwait's border. It was repelled by Operation Vigilant Warrior.

    Operation Vigilant Warrior - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So much for Saddam not having the will to attack his neighbors, post Desert Storm. I reckon his army wasn't, "destroyed", afterall.

    Edit: Booyaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
    He didn't attack, and it was repelled just as easily as I said it would be, and the NFZs played no real role. Your grasping at straws here. I knew about him amassing forces, but you leaped to knowledge of why. We took no chances, and spanked him. It was ended before it began. And that was 94. Nearly ten years before we invaded. Are you seeing it yet? No one significantly feared this man or his army.

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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He didn't attack, and it was repelled just as easily as I said it would be, and the NFZs played no real role. Your grasping at straws here. I knew about him amassing forces, but you leaped to knowledge of why. We took no chances, and spanked him. It was ended before it began. And that was 94. Nearly ten years before we invaded. Are you seeing it yet? No one significantly feared this man or his army.
    But, you said he was never a threat post Desert Storm. Obviously, he was.

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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I never said that Iraq was a threat to the United States! Goddamn!! How many times do I have to say that?
    So, you agree we should never have invaded and occupied Iraq?
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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, you said he was never a threat post Desert Storm. Obviously, he was.
    Boo just pointed out to you why they were no threat. No US invasion/occupation needed.
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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

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    Winning what?
    good question, unfortunately the answers are not clear

    in afghanistan, success appears to be measured by the degree to which we are able to afghanize the responsibility for maintaining order

    i don't think the cic can really claim ultimate success in this first OBAMA'S WAR unless and until that measure of afghanization is complete

    in libya, the mission is a morass, originally we were there to protect civilian lives

    refugees were also a concern

    of course, that was back in the long ago time when we were gonna be there days, not weeks

    now we appreciate that NATION BUILDING is the flip side of regime change

    the cic in dc today is clueless

    it's sad

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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

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    So, you agree we should never have invaded and occupied Iraq?
    Nice flame bait. I'm not hitting on purple lizards today. I'm going after lime green mister-twisters.

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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Boo just pointed out to you why they were no threat. No US invasion/occupation needed.
    This debate has nothing to do with the 2003 invasion. It's about no-fly zones.

    You and Boo have insisted that the Iraqi Army was never any kind of a threat to it's neighbors, after Desert Storm. In fact, you claimed that the Iraqi Army was destroyed in Desert Storm. I've done an awesome job of disproving both erroneous notions.

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