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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    More Democrats voted against the war in Iraq than voted for it. Can you make the same claim of the GOP???
    You did not answer my question. Is that the first vote? Or is it the second vote the democrats demanded?

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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You did not answer my question. Is that the first vote? Or is it the second vote the democrats demanded?
    "On Oct. 10 and 11, 2002, the US House of Representatives and the US Senate, respectively, voted on HJRes 114, the "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002"

    If you have differing results, reference them as I did.
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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "On Oct. 10 and 11, 2002, the US House of Representatives and the US Senate, respectively, voted on HJRes 114, the "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002"

    If you have differing results, reference them as I did.
    What about the senate?

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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    I think withdrawal of troops should be a decision made on the ground, if he consulted the generals and can pull back 10k troops safely I'd say why not.

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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by jding View Post
    I think withdrawal of troops should be a decision made on the ground, if he consulted the generals and can pull back 10k troops safely I'd say why not.
    He did not follow what the generals said.

    Blog: Obama's Afghan troop withdrawal not among options presented by his generals

    Yesterday in testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Lt. General John Allen, slated to be the new top commander in Afghanistan, contradicted an (anonymous) administration spokesman, and stated under direct questioning that the troop withdrawal program announced by President Obama was not among the options presented to him by his generals.

    In other words, President Obama came up with the plan on his own. His top commanders did not present it to him as one of the options they offered for him to choose among.

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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    False, factually inaccurate. few believed Saddam was the threat Bush claimed him to be. Even fewer believed he had active programs.
    You have seen the statements by elected democrats from Clinton to Hilary to Pelosi and yet you continue to just ride along with your head out the window and your tongue out. La la la...

    Clinton sat on his thumb for 8 years. The UN just kept passing resolution after resolution...obviously he never complied with the 17...they kept passing them...the evidence on the worlds position re Saddam and WMDs is clear. Well...for anyone that isnt 100% invested in NOT seeing.

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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The fact and reality is that you are incorrect. More Congressional Democrats voted against the war Iraq than voted for it

    Here are the totals:Oct. 2002 Congressional Votes Authorizing the President to Use Military Force Against Iraq - US - Iraq War - ProCon.org

    ......"deal with it"
    What was Clintons position on Iraq and WMDs? Kerry's? Daschle's? Pelosi's? Kennedy's?

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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    More Democrats voted against the war in Iraq than voted for it. Can you make the same claim of the GOP???
    Why would anyone make the claim re the GOP when they supported the war? So did this guy...

    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 and...

    "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

    and

    "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002 (Uberliberal supreme)

    and on and on and on...

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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you haven't a clue
    as is evident by your pointing to conventional warfare as a comparison when what we are fighting is an asymmetrical conflict

    the enemy will always possess the will to wage war until we quit doing those things which motivated them to wage war against the world's most powerful conventional military power
    only a fool would believe that our presence diminishes the will of the terrorists who hate us to no longer have the will to oppose us
    the war you failed to note which closely resembles what we are engaged in in afghanistan is vietnam. how did that work out when we declared victory and ran the hell away
    santayana was right ...


    the reason you keep seeing this question "what would victory look like" is because no one is able to answer it
    so, do that for us. tell us what victory will look like in afghanistan
    and if you stand on 'when the opposition no longer has the will to fight', tell us how we will know when they have lost that will, and why they will not simply wait us out and then return with a willingness to resume the fight after we have left


    you have made it easy for yourself - to evade the question
    so, use your 'reverse engineering' and describe for us what victory looks like in afghanistan so we will know when we have 'won'
    The wars that I listed weren't conventional wars. They were all conflicts, with one side using guerrilla tactics. Guerrilla tactics were invented on the Iberian peninsular. It's a Spanish term.

    Perhaps I'm not the one that doesn't have a clue?

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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That could have been done with invading. And we could and can deal with that with nation building. So,are you sure that was the job? If so, we should come home now.
    I agree with you 100%.

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