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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Who was in power when we went to war there?
    Quit avoiding questions and trying to change the subject when you get stumped. You still haven't answered my question above - "cite the officials who said we were going to war against the Taliban when we first invaded Afghanistan?"
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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Because the GOP respects the military. Obama sees the military as a campaign tool
    Prove it!
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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We didn't go to war against the Taliban because they are not an international threat. If you think it is, cite the officials who said we were going to war against the Taliban when we first invaded Afghanistan.
    Wowwww...really? Ummm...we went to war against the government of Afghanistan for allowing Al Qaida to conduct terrorist activities within their borders and under their protection. And the Afghanistan government was comprised of...ummm...the Taliban...

    You pin your hat on the silliest **** sometimes...

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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Wowwww...really? Ummm...we went to war against the government of Afghanistan for allowing Al Qaida to conduct terrorist activities within their borders and under their protection. And the Afghanistan government was comprised of...ummm...the Taliban...

    You pin your hat on the silliest **** sometimes...
    A trillion dollars of debt and thousands of lives sacrificed later - "Awash in American and NATO money, Mr. Karzai’s government is widely regarded as one of the most corrupt in the world. The Times has reported on the extensive web of Karzai family members leveraging the president’s position to put them at the center of a new oligarchy of powerful Afghan families.

    Western critics have accused Mr. Karzai of weak leadership, cutting deals with warlords, tolerating drug smugglers and ignoring rampant corruption that has fed the insurgency. The relationship between Mr. Karzai and the Obama administration, which has made fighting the endemic corruption in the Afghan government a major policy goal, has been contentious."


    Hamid Karzai News - The New York Times

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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When the enemy no longer possesses the will to wage war. It's just like any other war. Just like The Civil War, The Boer War, The Algerian Civil War, The Spanish Civil War, The Peninsular Wars.
    you haven't a clue
    as is evident by your pointing to conventional warfare as a comparison when what we are fighting is an asymmetrical conflict
    the enemy will always possess the will to wage war until we quit doing those things which motivated them to wage war against the world's most powerful conventional military power
    only a fool would believe that our presence diminishes the will of the terrorists who hate us to no longer have the will to oppose us
    the war you failed to note which closely resembles what we are engaged in in afghanistan is vietnam. how did that work out when we declared victory and ran the hell away
    santayana was right ...

    One would think that vice mindlessly parroting the usual, "duh...what does victory look like", for nearly tens years, the more intelligent and educated Libbos would actually do some research on the subject and find out for themselves what, "victory looks like".
    the reason you keep seeing this question "what would victory look like" is because no one is able to answer it
    so, do that for us. tell us what victory will look like in afghanistan
    and if you stand on 'when the opposition no longer has the will to fight', tell us how we will know when they have lost that will, and why they will not simply wait us out and then return with a willingness to resume the fight after we have left

    I'll make it easy for you; reverse engineer the equation and tell us what, "victory looks like", to the Taliban and al Qaeda.
    you have made it easy for yourself - to evade the question
    so, use your 'reverse engineering' and describe for us what victory looks like in afghanistan so we will know when we have 'won'
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    A trillion dollars of debt and thousands of lives sacrificed later - "Awash in American and NATO money, Mr. Karzai’s government is widely regarded as one of the most corrupt in the world. The Times has reported on the extensive web of Karzai family members leveraging the president’s position to put them at the center of a new oligarchy of powerful Afghan families.

    Western critics have accused Mr. Karzai of weak leadership, cutting deals with warlords, tolerating drug smugglers and ignoring rampant corruption that has fed the insurgency. The relationship between Mr. Karzai and the Obama administration, which has made fighting the endemic corruption in the Afghan government a major policy goal, has been contentious."


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    So at least you drop the silliness with regard to the Taliban. Well done.

    FTR...You wont find me defending our post-war responses in Iraq OR Afghanistan. Ive said numerous times...great job winning the war...lousy job of post-ops. We should have been out of there within 5 years, and if both countries wanted to allow the Taliban back in or Al Qaida to terrorize them...if their people werent willing to stand up and take responsibility for their country and security, screw em...they deserve their fate.

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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    So at least you drop the silliness with regard to the Taliban. Well done.

    FTR...You wont find me defending our post-war responses in Iraq OR Afghanistan. Ive said numerous times...great job winning the war...lousy job of post-ops. We should have been out of there within 5 years, and if both countries wanted to allow the Taliban back in or Al Qaida to terrorize them...if their people werent willing to stand up and take responsibility for their country and security, screw em...they deserve their fate.
    The Taliban were never a threat to us, they are still there, and they will be there when we are gone. I agree with your position on the post-ops in Afghanistan. Iraq is another matter. We should never have waged war on one of the most defenseless countries on the planet after the Persian Gulf war and 10 years of sanctions. Anyone involved with the Persian Gulf war and the effects of a decade of Sanctions should have known Iraq was of no threat to us or its neighbors.
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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Destroy a terrorist threat and that threat wasn't represented by a single person.
    That could have been done with invading. And we could and can deal with that with nation building. So,are you sure that was the job? If so, we should come home now.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When the enemy no longer possesses the will to wage war. It's just like any other war. Just like The Civil War, The Boer War, The Algerian Civil War, The Spanish Civil War, The Peninsular Wars.

    One would think that vice mindlessly parroting the usual, "duh...what does victory look like", for nearly tens years, the more intelligent and educated Libbos would actually do some research on the subject and find out for themselves what, "victory looks like".

    I'll make it easy for you; reverse engineer the equation and tell us what, "victory looks like", to the Taliban and al Qaeda.
    If we were fighting the government of Afghanistan, had they attacked us,you might have a point. However, that is not the case.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    As we celebrate the landing on the moon by Apollo 11, let's contemplate Afghanistan:

    The ghost of Jack Kevorkian for President's Physician: 2016

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