Page 4 of 68 FirstFirst ... 234561454 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 671

Thread: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

  1. #31
    Guru
    JohnWOlin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Kentucky
    Last Seen
    01-17-17 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    3,594

    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    I think it is a great move to pull out 33,000 by 2013. He has promised to pretty much do more by 2014 hasn't he? Besides the fact that much of the American enemy is not in Afghanistan anymore and -just in case- we need to be ready for something like Pakistan or god forbid Iran, this is a great move. Now we need to draw back from Libya, quit giving the Pakistanis money, and like the mayors want concentrate more of that on US soil.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

  2. #32
    Educator
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Last Seen
    01-17-15 @ 02:59 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    629

    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Obama is not listening to the military

    Barack Obama and Pentagon split on Afghanistan pullout | World news | The Guardian


    Barack Obama is set to reject the advice of the Pentagon by announcing on Wednesday night the withdrawal of up to 30,000 troops from Afghanistan by November next year, in time for the US presidential election.

    The move comes despite warnings from his military commanders that recent security gains are fragile. They have been urging him to keep troop numbers high until 2013.
    The Pentagon always wants more troops and wants to fight it out. It may not always be the best policy, but they always want more firepower and think that a straightforward, more power approach is best usually. But this will also result in more service member casualties and won't put pressure on the Afghans for them to take the lead.

  3. #33
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    melbourne florida
    Last Seen
    09-24-15 @ 12:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    13,156

    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I think it is a great move to pull out 33,000 by 2013. He has promised to pretty much do more by 2014 hasn't he? Besides the fact that much of the American enemy is not in Afghanistan anymore and -just in case- we need to be ready for something like Pakistan or god forbid Iran, this is a great move. Now we need to draw back from Libya, quit giving the Pakistanis money, and like the mayors want concentrate more of that on US soil.
    It makes no sense to say we can pull that many out in 2 years when you do not know how the state of the fight will be going. This is a political speech and Obama is not listening to his Generals

  4. #34
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    melbourne florida
    Last Seen
    09-24-15 @ 12:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    13,156

    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    The Pentagon always wants more troops and wants to fight it out. It may not always be the best policy, but they always want more firepower and think that a straightforward, more power approach is best usually. But this will also result in more service member casualties and won't put pressure on the Afghans for them to take the lead.
    I will take th word of generals over a man that has never served any day

  5. #35
    Dungeon Master
    Somewhere in Babylon
    Jetboogieman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Somewhere in Babylon...
    Last Seen
    @
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    24,322
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Obamas stuck between a rock and a hard place.

    He's ****ed if he does.

    He's ****ed if he doesn't.

    If he does do it, there's a possibility that Afghanistan could worsen. Then again, Afghanistan has been a pitfall of the Soviet Union and the British empire. It's truly difficult to say what "winning" is. But as far as holding up this weak, corrupt and ineffective regime in Kabul... it seems to be failing in this regard. But then again, thats what happens when you think you can go to a country that hasnt had a democratic/stable government in decades, with no infrastructure or educated population, and think democracy can magically kick in. I shall demonstrate.



    If he doesn't do it, he'll be accused of breaking his promises, and I won't hear the ****ing end of it from the far righties saying we're not outraged enough or some ****.

    That's the word, I stick to it.

    Jetboogieman.

  6. #36
    Guru
    JohnWOlin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Kentucky
    Last Seen
    01-17-17 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    3,594

    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    It makes no sense to say we can pull that many out in 2 years when you do not know how the state of the fight will be going. This is a political speech and Obama is not listening to his Generals
    Actually his generals suggested cuts and they all had agreed some kind of timetable was needed, even Bush said this towards the end of his presidency. The fact of the matter is as we turn over operations to Afghanistan, the American military has other matters to focus on, and tax dollars can be used better elsewhere.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

  7. #37
    Guru
    Councilman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Riverside, County, CA.
    Last Seen
    11-04-11 @ 10:16 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    4,454
    Blog Entries
    10

    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Danger Will Robinson! Opinion! Danger!

    Every single thing this man does (perhaps even including breathing oxygen, which as we all know is Marxist in nature because every human upon the planet has free access to it, except perhaps inhabitants of Los Angeles ) is a mistake to you.

    So excuse me for not taking you seriously on this one.
    Withdrawal without total victory over Al Qaeda and the Taliban opens the Country up to a return to the type of repressive society that was there prior to our presents there.

    This is not just because Obama is a worthless amateur, it would be true if Reagan was still in office.

    Once again for the record I don't hate Obama, just what he does and what he stands for which I don't see as America or our interests.

    As a person I wish him well in private life.

  8. #38
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    where is the military advantage to tonite's announcement of exactly how many united states troops (seventy thousand) obama hopes and wishes are still gonna be in afghanistan on ELECTION DAY, twenty twelve?

    the president's political purpose, in contrast, is plain

    Barack Obama is set to reject the advice of the Pentagon by announcing on Wednesday night the withdrawal of up to 30,000 troops from Afghanistan by November next year, in time for the US presidential election.

    The accelerated drawdown will dismay American and British commanders in Kabul, who have privately expressed concern that the White House is now being driven by political rather than military imperatives.

    Obama's decision is aimed at placating an American public tired of a 10-year war that has cost 1,522 US lives. The killing of Osama bin Laden added impetus to calls to pull out.

    Nato commanders led by General David Petraeus have set out the risks of withdrawing too many troops too soon, and warned Obama there has been no noticeable dividend from the death of the al-Qaida leader. They had urged him to keep in place the bulk of the extra 30,000 troops he committed to the "surge" until the end of 2012, so a drawdown can begin in 2013. That would give the military another full "fighting season" to attack Taliban strongholds and target insurgent leaders.

    This year's fighting season, which is now underway, has shown that the Taliban is still strong, despite the pounding given to them over the winter by ISAF forces. In the first week of June, there were 701 security incidents across Afghanistan.

    The withdrawal has created deep divisions in Washington. The defence secretary, Robert Gates, argued for a modest reduction – at one point as low as 2,000 – citing the advice of US commanders in Afghanistan that they need to protect gains made during the winter against the Taliban.

    But senior White House staff, conscious that the president has an election to fight next year, argued in favour of a reduction that would send a signal to the US public that an end to the war is in sight.

    The Associated Press reported that Obama could announce 10,000 troops to be brought home by the end of the year, and a further 20,000 next year – all of the 30,000 extra troops he ordered to Afghanistan as part of the "surge" in 2009. That would still leave about 70,000 troops, with all combat troops scheduled to leave by 2014, provided that Afghan forces are ready to take over.

    Gates, who, along with secretary of state Hillary Clinton, was scheduled to meet Obama at the White House to finalise the details, acknowledged on Tuesday that US political considerations as well as conditions on the ground in Afghanistan contributed to the decision.

    He said the war's unpopularity in the US and with Congress had to play a significant part in the president's thinking.
    Barack Obama and Pentagon split on Afghanistan pullout | World news | The Guardian

    the president's new target is seventy thousand troops 18 months from now?

    it appears OBAMA'S WAR will never end

    party on, progressives

  9. #39
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    melbourne florida
    Last Seen
    09-24-15 @ 12:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    13,156

    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Actually his generals suggested cuts and they all had agreed some kind of timetable was needed, even Bush said this towards the end of his presidency. The fact of the matter is as we turn over operations to Afghanistan, the American military has other matters to focus on, and tax dollars can be used better elsewhere.
    Troops may be able to be pulled but it is disingenuous to put a number out 2 years in advance. I could be more earlier or it could take longer before we can pull out troops.

    This is in my opinion a campaign political stunt.

    Obama is clearly ignoring what the generals are saying for political gain

  10. #40
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Concerns in Congress and that Americans are “tired of a decade of war” are swaying President Barack Obama’s decisions about the drawdown of troops in Afghanistan, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Tuesday as the president prepares to announce his plans on Wednesday.

    Speaking with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at the State Department ahead of a White House meeting on Afghan strategy, Gates said that the war’s rising unpopularity among Americans and members of Congress has played a significant role in the president’s thinking about the role of U.S. troops there, The Associated Press reported.

    “It goes without saying that there are a lot of reservations in the Congress about the war in Afghanistan and our level of commitment,” Gates said. “There are concerns among the American people who are tired of a decade of war."
    Gates: Domestic concerns affecting Obama decision on Afghan troops - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

    the defense secretary, holdover from the bush regime, has really been telling it like it is lately

    june 11: Nation-World | Gates criticizes NATO, questions alliance's future | The Detroit News

    tonite, obama will attempt to convince his domestic critics on both sides that he's pulling out and NOT pulling out of afghanistan

    it's not only politics, it's losing politics

    party on, peaceniks

Page 4 of 68 FirstFirst ... 234561454 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •