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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Muffinz! View Post
    That's not a surrender. That's withdrawing which is followed by a signed, usually mutual, peace. We didn't surrender after 'Nam. The US military just up and left. South Vietnam surrendered and capitulated however.
    Actually, we didn't just up-n-leave. We forced the North to agree upon a treaty and a part of that treaty was that we would withdraw combat forces and they wouldn't mount incursions into South Vietnam. It was called Paris Peace Accord. The North didn't sign the treaty, because they felt as if they were winning the war.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If we're fighting a rear guard action, to support a total withdrawal, then yes.
    i got your answer to the first question
    but you "neglected" to respond to the follow up inquiry. here it is again:
    did you voice this same objection when we launched the invasion into afghanistan?
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i got your answer to the first question
    but you "neglected" to respond to the follow up inquiry. here it is again:
    The second question is irrelevant to the thread and any comments I've made on this thread.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The second question is irrelevant to the thread and any comments I've made on this thread.
    so, you are objecting to the way Obama is handling the wars he inherited, but you refuse to remind us of your position when dicknbush got us involved in these wars of choice
    i am willing to bet that you were an advocate for these republican wars. an outspoken one
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so, you are objecting to the way Obama is handling the wars he inherited
    but you refuse to remind us of your position when dicknbush got us involved in these wars of choice
    One has nothing to do with the other.

    How we got involved = apples.

    How we get uninvolved = oranges.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    One has nothing to do with the other.

    How we got involved = apples.

    How we get uninvolved = oranges.
    absolutely wrong
    but delighted to see you try to dance and avoid reminding us of your previous advocacy of the wars you now disparage
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    absolutely wrong
    Care to explain? Or rather, can you explain?

    but delighted to see you try to dance and avoid reminding us of your previous advocacy of the wars you now disparage
    I disparaged the war?

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Care to explain? Or rather, can you explain?
    the hypocrisy of your posts
    before, when dicknbush launched the war, you advocated it
    now, when Obama is positioning our troops to be able to leave, by handing off the maintenance of security to the indigenous forces, you whine and term that "surrender"
    you are simply [that word was intentionally used] looking to manufacture something to complain about regarding Obama



    I disparaged the war?
    no. you advocated the going into wars of choice
    you are now disparaging the "surrender" ... your term ... the withdrawal of unnecessary forces. the getting our troops out of harm's way
    doesn't seem a very patriotic notion - especially during this holiday
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the hypocrisy of your posts
    before, when dicknbush launched the war, you advocated it
    now, when Obama is positioning our troops to be able to leave, by handing off the maintenance of security to the indigenous forces, you whine and term that "surrender"
    you are simply [that word was intentionally used] looking to manufacture something to complain about regarding Obama
    Ok, so, tell us how this is going to have a happy ending. And, "getting out of Afhanistan and to hell with what happens after we leave", isn't an answer.




    no. you advocated the going into wars of choice
    you are now disparaging the "surrender" ... your term ... the withdrawal of unnecessary forces.[/quote]

    Unless we fought the enemy to a decision, an early withdrawal is the same as surrendering our tactical position in the current theater of operations. Surrendering our position is exactly what we're doing.


    the getting our troops out of harm's way
    doesn't seem a very patriotic notion - especially during this holiday
    I'm not going to have as much fun with that comment as I could. I'll only say, that creating a situation that further endangers friendly forces is a very unpatriotic, not to mention idiotic, idea--especially during this holiday.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    because local security forces working in tandem with US forces aren't part of our counterinsurgency doctrine. If the Surge in Afghanistan succeeds, no doubt you will say it had nothing to do with Obama, merely all these armed, trained, Afghans with guns who suddenly turned up and started working with US forces?
    There really isn't such a thing as a counterinsurgency plan anyways. It's basically fight and hope it works out for the best. There's nothing novel or innovative about counterinsurgency other than someone could figure out themselves, it's basically fight the bad guys, get the leaders of the bad guys, and train the locals to do the same, of which you should have already been doing before the counterinsurgency plan.

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