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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    If the military leaders are backing this draw down and feel its viable, then I'm happy its happening.

    If this is being done for political reasons in ramp up to the 2012 election because a drawing down in Afghanistan would help Obama's chances and is not being done due to strategic military reasons or in accordance with the honest wishes of the majority of Generals, then it is a disappointing and disturbing bit of news.

    Either way, I hope for success, but the answer to the above questions would change rather I have much faith in said hope or not.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Pointing out the political expediency of the situation is in no way partisan. Our troops and innocent civilians are in danger with we prematurely announce or schedule for troop movements in a war zone. Nobody on the right that I know railed on Obama for being so tight lipped about Osama, so I'm not sure your transparency argument holds much water.
    First of all, a top-secret mission to kill the most wanted man in the world is a much, much different thing from a withdrawal from a war that everyone is going to figure out anyway, even if the president does keep it secret. Secondly, there really, really isn't any consistency here. I wasn't hearing any bickering from the right when President Bush helped negotiate the U.S.-Iraq Status of Forces Agreement in 2008 that gave exact dates of combat withdrawal, among other important future withdrawals. Unless you're willing to concede that that, too, was a terrible idea that put our troops in grave danger? And even still, I've yet to see any evidence, 2 and a half years later, that such an assertion will be correct.

    If we've done our job with the Afghanistan War, which it seems we finally (under Obama) have accomplished, then it won't matter if they know we've withdrawn a month in advance or 6 months in advance or not until the day we leave. If the situation is really so fragile that a simple announcement of strategy is going to reverse the trajectory of the war, then we should not be leaving at all. And that is not what anyone, not even General Petraeus, is saying.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    june 7:

    The hugely expensive U.S. attempt at nation-building in Afghanistan has had only limited success and may not survive an American withdrawal, according to the findings of a two-year congressional investigation to be released Wednesday.

    The report, prepared by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee’s Democratic majority staff, comes as Congress and the American public have grown increasingly restive about the human and economic cost of the decade-long war and reflects growing concerns about Obama’s war strategy even among supporters within his party.

    The report describes the use of aid money to stabilize areas the military has cleared of Taliban fighters — a key component of the administration’s counterinsurgency strategy — as a short-term fix that provides politically pleasing results. But it says that the enormous cash flows can overwhelm and distort local culture and economies, and that there is little evidence the positive results are sustainable.

    Because oversight is scanty, the report says, the fund encourages corruption. Although the U.S. plan is for the Afghan government to eventually take over this and other programs, it has neither the management capacity nor the funds to do so.

    The report also warns that the Afghan economy could slide into a depression with the inevitable decline of the foreign military and development spending that now provides 97 percent of the country’s gross domestic product.
    Afghan nation-building programs not sustainable, report says - The Washington Post

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    If Obama holds true to form, he'll pull 10,000 out of Afghanistan, send half of them to Libya, and the other half to Iraq.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    First of all, a top-secret mission to kill the most wanted man in the world is a much, much different thing from a withdrawal from a war that everyone is going to figure out anyway, even if the president does keep it secret. Secondly, there really, really isn't any consistency here. I wasn't hearing any bickering from the right when President Bush helped negotiate the U.S.-Iraq Status of Forces Agreement in 2008 that gave exact dates of combat withdrawal, among other important future withdrawals. Unless you're willing to concede that that, too, was a terrible idea that put our troops in grave danger? And even still, I've yet to see any evidence, 2 and a half years later, that such an assertion will be correct.

    If we've done our job with the Afghanistan War, which it seems we finally (under Obama) have accomplished, then it won't matter if they know we've withdrawn a month in advance or 6 months in advance or not until the day we leave. If the situation is really so fragile that a simple announcement of strategy is going to reverse the trajectory of the war, then we should not be leaving at all. And that is not what anyone, not even General Petraeus, is saying.
    I have always railed against making announcements regarding troop movement until after said movements have been accomplished. It does nothing to preserve the safety and protection of our troops or the civilians they are defending. Also, I never once stated or implied that the entire country would implode, but knowing how and when our troops are leaving puts them in distinct, obvious danger. Whether our enemies take advantage of the advanced warning or not, the fact remains that we do give them a distinct advantage when we parade around numbers, dates, and companies departing a war zone. It doesn't take a genius to realize it's bad form.
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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    Update: they've gone with 10,000 troops by year's end, apparently: Afghanistan war, Obama: Obama expected to announce major Afghan troop reduction - latimes.com
    I'll believe it when I see it.

    There have been so many unfulfilled promises made about the war I cannot keep track of them all anymore.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    More like telling the enemy at what point to expect large troop movements and post abandonments.
    The whole point of announcing a withdrawal is to put pressure on the Afghans so that when it comes time to withdraw, they would have pulled up the slack and prepared for our withdrawal in which case the enemy would see no drop in force strength. It's the Afghans country, if they don't want to improve security, then ultimately it will impact their country and they will feel the results and demand more security. And besides we got Bin Laden, Al Queda is in Pakistan living in mansions anyways.
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    Re: US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday - Yahoo! News

    So what will he do?
    - Insignificant drawdown so he doesn't break his promise? (say, 1-2,000 troops come home)
    - Relatively significant start of a drawdown? (5-10,000)
    - Huge withdrawal? (20,000 or more)
    What SHOULD he do?

    I tend to think it'll be somewhere mid-range, which seems about right to me.
    He should make sure that the time is right for an actual drawdown, so as to insure that we won't be back in 10 years to start all over again, for the third time.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Marl my words this is a mistake Obama will live to regrei.
    ****ing A! All the troops out of Afghanistan is the only answer. Anything else is piddling and disingenuous.










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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    Such bull**** partisanship.

    I can only imagine what you'd say if Obama did, indeed, decide not to tell us what the Afghanistan strategy was:
    "I thought this president stood for transparency! Change you can believe in! He owes it to the American taxpayers who are funding this 10-year-old war, who don't even want to be there anymore, to tell us what our strategy is there!"

    You're just going to take a dump on anything Obama decides to do. He promised to eventually get us out of Afghanistan in time; that's exactly what he's doing, and he's not keeping us in the dark about it. It's funny to see the right so confused about what their stance on Afghanistan should be...is it necessary to stay the course or do we need to get out? The answer: the opposite of whatever Obama chooses.
    Obama is not listening to the military

    Barack Obama and Pentagon split on Afghanistan pullout | World news | The Guardian


    Barack Obama is set to reject the advice of the Pentagon by announcing on Wednesday night the withdrawal of up to 30,000 troops from Afghanistan by November next year, in time for the US presidential election.

    The move comes despite warnings from his military commanders that recent security gains are fragile. They have been urging him to keep troop numbers high until 2013.

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