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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post

    Not sure what that means, but make no mistake, there was not what Bush and his people claimed. It was not necesaary to invade Iraq. It was not in our best interests to do so. It was costly and for our interests, not necessary.
    You can get into endless pissing matches about what worked and what didn't work, why we did what we did and what we could have done better in Iraq or A-stan....

    I do think the US leadership thats in power needs to be sure they don't dick around in Iraq/A-stan or whatever country any longer than necessary. Get the elections done, the natives trained up and get out. Nothing will come of acting like police over there.

    Bring the troops home for rest and re-fit and get ready for the next one. And we need to realize that we can't go into every country with the plan of establishing democracies, holding elections, etc. Some of them we need to go in, kills the BGs and move out.

    Dead BGs and continuous movement.
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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    We need something effective. We need something cost effective. Something where cost and benefit are at least closely matched. We've have done much of any of that so far.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

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    We need something effective. We need something cost effective. Something where cost and benefit are at least closely matched. We've have done much of any of that so far.
    Whats needed is a long term US commitment. The result of a powerful lobby that remains consistent and can continue to exert significant pressure on succeeding administrations.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

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    Whats needed is a long term US commitment. The result of a powerful lobby that remains consistent and can continue to exert significant pressure on succeeding administrations.
    Than we better choose something other than war. Democracies are not big on endless war.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Than we better choose something other than war. Democracies are not big on endless war.
    AARP and the Israelis are 2 powerful lobbies that seem to rise to the top....no matter what political party is in charge at the time

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Look throughout recent history and identify where Politicians have fully given the Military what 'they' say is needed for a conflict/war. Commanders will always require more men, more time, more power etc. The Politician has to look wider and incorporate or factor in, many more parts to the jigsaw.

    Paul
    If Obama had any experience or training in these things you might have a point but Obama has none so he is just playing politics with our soldiers lives

    When Bush authorized troop surge was he listening to his generals?

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

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    AARP and the Israelis are 2 powerful lobbies that seem to rise to the top....no matter what political party is in charge at the time
    Neither party is immune to any lobby. Sadly. But, that doesn't change anything I've said.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If you're going to state my position, do so honestly. I say the Iraqi's are responsible for Iraq. They started the awakening, which was the tide turner.
    because local security forces working in tandem with US forces aren't part of our counterinsurgency doctrine. If the Surge in Afghanistan succeeds, no doubt you will say it had nothing to do with Obama, merely all these armed, trained, Afghans with guns who suddenly turned up and started working with US forces?

    And yes, as I stated earlier, Afghanistan deserved more attention, and that I understood going into Afghanistan, but never called it the good war. I have always said we should not have invaded.
    Sorry, Boo; you're going to have to try to sell that to someone who doesn't remember you during the 2004 election cycle .

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

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    because local security forces working in tandem with US forces aren't part of our counterinsurgency doctrine. If the Surge in Afghanistan succeeds, no doubt you will say it had nothing to do with Obama, merely all these armed, trained, Afghans with guns who suddenly turned up and started working with US forces?
    That would make snese and be honest if we had come to them and presented the idea. We didn't. They started it all on their own. We smartly took advantage, but cannot take credit for starting it, or stating it was our plan. It is dishonest to try and take credit for someone else's work.


    Sorry, Boo; you're going to have to try to sell that to someone who doesn't remember you during the 2004 election cycle .
    Well, that would not be you. You either don't remember, or you're just dishonest. There isn't a lot inbetween.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    today:

    At least 10 people are reported to have been killed after a top hotel in the Afghan capital, Kabul, came under attack by gunmen and suicide bombers.

    An official earlier said three suicide bombers had blown themselves up. At least one other attacker was shot dead.

    Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid said the group was behind the attack.

    Officials said a meeting of provincial governors taking place at the hotel might have been the reason for it.

    The attack also came the night before the start of a conference about the gradual transition of responsibility for security from the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) to Afghan security forces.

    The Intercontinental is one of Kabul's best-known hotels and is popular with Westerners. It is situated on a hill in the west of the city.

    Correspondents say it is one of the most heavily guarded hotels, with visitors required to pass through several checkpoints.
    BBC News - Kabul's Intercontinental Hotel attacked by gunmen

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