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US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

Boo Radley said:
Yes, I do. But understand, as i repeat, their combat power was meaningless to us. It was too weak, and was never going to be strong enough to concern us or the region, as we and the UN were protecting the region, with or without NFZs. Those zones only were inplace to protect Iraqis. Trying to pretend Saddam's paper tiger was more than it was is kind of silly.
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Saddam planned to re-invade Kuwait in 1994. I've known this all along and thought ya'll would have picked up on it, by now and stopped the parroting, but I reckon I over-estimated you.

Now, if Saddam planned to invade Kuwait in 1994, that would make him a clear and present danger to the security of Kuwait and warrant some sort of buffer zone to protect Kuwait. Yes?
 
apdst said:
Saddam planned to re-invade Kuwait in 1994. I've known this all along and thought ya'll would have picked up on it, by now and stopped the parroting, but I reckon I over-estimated you.

Now, if Saddam planned to invade Kuwait in 1994, that would make him a clear and present danger to the security of Kuwait and warrant some sort of buffer zone to protect Kuwait. Yes?
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Read his mind? However, any plan would have been quickly repelled. It is silly to take that seriously. And no, the NFZ would have made little to no difference. This was not an army that couldn't be removed easily, even easier than the first time. Again, the stated reason was to protect Iraqis, as linked a few times for you. And it certianly had no bearing in 2003. As Saddam's infastructure crumbled, and his ability became less and less, the opposite of growing and gathering btw, no one seriously feared Saddam's army.


Added: Remeber, the NFZs started in 92.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Read his mind? However, any plan would have been quickly repelled. It is silly to take that seriously. And no, the NFZ would have made little to no difference. This was not an army that couldn't be removed easily, even easier than the first time. Again, the stated reason was to protect Iraqis, as linked a few times for you. And it certianly had no bearing in 2003. As Saddam's infastructure crumbled, and his ability became less and less, the opposite of growing and gathering btw, no one seriously feared Saddam's army.
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No, I didn't read his mind. I did some actual ****ing research.

In 1994, Saddam massed armor on Kuwait's border. It was repelled by Operation Vigilant Warrior.

Operation Vigilant Warrior - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So much for Saddam not having the will to attack his neighbors, post Desert Storm. I reckon his army wasn't, "destroyed", afterall.

Edit: Booyaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
 
apdst said:
No, I didn't read his mind. I did some actual ****ing research.

In 1994, Saddam massed armor on Kuwait's border. It was repelled by Operation Vigilant Warrior.

Operation Vigilant Warrior - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So much for Saddam not having the will to attack his neighbors, post Desert Storm. I reckon his army wasn't, "destroyed", afterall.

Edit: Booyaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
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He didn't attack, and it was repelled just as easily as I said it would be, and the NFZs played no real role. Your grasping at straws here. I knew about him amassing forces, but you leaped to knowledge of why. We took no chances, and spanked him. It was ended before it began. And that was 94. Nearly ten years before we invaded. Are you seeing it yet? No one significantly feared this man or his army.
 
Boo Radley said:
He didn't attack, and it was repelled just as easily as I said it would be, and the NFZs played no real role. Your grasping at straws here. I knew about him amassing forces, but you leaped to knowledge of why. We took no chances, and spanked him. It was ended before it began. And that was 94. Nearly ten years before we invaded. Are you seeing it yet? No one significantly feared this man or his army.
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But, you said he was never a threat post Desert Storm. Obviously, he was.
 
apdst said:
I never said that Iraq was a threat to the United States! Goddamn!! How many times do I have to say that?
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So, you agree we should never have invaded and occupied Iraq?
 
apdst said:
But, you said he was never a threat post Desert Storm. Obviously, he was.
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Boo just pointed out to you why they were no threat. No US invasion/occupation needed.
 
Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

Boo Radley said:
Winning what?
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good question, unfortunately the answers are not clear

in afghanistan, success appears to be measured by the degree to which we are able to afghanize the responsibility for maintaining order

i don't think the cic can really claim ultimate success in this first OBAMA'S WAR unless and until that measure of afghanization is complete

in libya, the mission is a morass, originally we were there to protect civilian lives

refugees were also a concern

of course, that was back in the long ago time when we were gonna be there days, not weeks

now we appreciate that NATION BUILDING is the flip side of regime change

the cic in dc today is clueless

it's sad
 
Catawba said:
So, you agree we should never have invaded and occupied Iraq?
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Nice flame bait. I'm not hitting on purple lizards today. I'm going after lime green mister-twisters.
 
Catawba said:
Boo just pointed out to you why they were no threat. No US invasion/occupation needed.
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This debate has nothing to do with the 2003 invasion. It's about no-fly zones.

You and Boo have insisted that the Iraqi Army was never any kind of a threat to it's neighbors, after Desert Storm. In fact, you claimed that the Iraqi Army was destroyed in Desert Storm. I've done an awesome job of disproving both erroneous notions.
 
apdst said:
Nice flame bait. I'm not hitting on purple lizards today. I'm going after lime green mister-twisters.
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So a simple question is flame bait? How do you justify our war on Iraq if they were no threat to us? Are you afraid to let your position be known?
 
apdst said:
This debate has nothing to do with the 2003 invasion. It's about no-fly zones.

You and Boo have insisted that the Iraqi Army was never any kind of a threat to it's neighbors, after Desert Storm. In fact, you claimed that the Iraqi Army was destroyed in Desert Storm. I've done an awesome job of disproving both erroneous notions.
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The only thing you have done an excellent job at is creating strawmen and avoiding direct questions.

You have already agreed Iraq was of no threat to the US, but you have not yet stated how you justify our war on them without them being a threat. How do you do that?
 
apdst said:
But, you said he was never a threat post Desert Storm. Obviously, he was.
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Do you see a threat in that spanking? Seriously? I can act like I want to beat up a young Muhamad Ali, but I was and will bever be a threat to do so.
 
Catawba said:
So a simple question is flame bait? How do you justify our war on Iraq if they were no threat to us? Are you afraid to let your position be known?
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Yes, because it has nothing to do with any of my comments.
 
apdst said:
Yes, because it has nothing to do with any of my comments.
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Your comment was they must have been a threat to neighboring countries or there wouldn't have been a NFZ. It was documented the NFZ was to protect humanitarian efforts within Iraq.

So what is the threat Iraq presented that necessitated us waging war on them? Stop deflecting, do you know of one or not?
 
Where did Apdst go I wonder?
 
Say, is the war actually over like announced?
 
OBAMA'S WAR is with us for many years to come

there will be more than twice as many americans, for example, in obama's mountains on the moon eighteen months from now than there were before the slasher ESCALATED

that is, IF things go according to plan

and how's LIBYA looking these days not weeks?

hostile?

party on, peaceniks
 
BmanMcfly said:
Say, is the war actually over like announced?
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It is yet to be seen. According the agreement signed by the US and Iraq, all US forces are due to be out of Iraq by the end of the year. Do you see that as a good thing or a bad thing?
 
Catawba said:
It is yet to be seen. According the agreement signed by the US and Iraq, all US forces are due to be out of Iraq by the end of the year. Do you see that as a good thing or a bad thing?
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Not going to happen... the US will sign the deal, but then back out because of whatever contrived reason will show up around that time.

But of course it would be a good thing for the US to stop engaging in peace action all around the world, it's just one of those that's not going to happen. It's like with Ron Paul, he would be the best thing for the country, and because of that he doesn't stand a chance of sitting in the white house.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Not going to happen... the US will sign the deal, but then back out because of whatever contrived reason will show up around that time.

But of course it would be a good thing for the US to stop engaging in peace action all around the world, it's just one of those that's not going to happen. It's like with Ron Paul, he would be the best thing for the country, and because of that he doesn't stand a chance of sitting in the white house.
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Don't have to as leaving doesn't really mean leaving, but instead only going to the large base we spent so much on. Our goal of being based there has been realized.
 
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