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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It should never be up to us, and it wasn't when we invaded. Because our leaders didn't know better, were imperialistic, doesn't mean it was up to us.
    Yeah, nevermind that we were attacked by people, hiding in Afghanistan, being given sanctuary by the Taliban.

    But hey, let's go ahead and let history repeat itself. I hope it's not your kid that has to die in the next war, because we didn't finish this one.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, nevermind that we were attacked by people, hiding in Afghanistan, being given sanctuary by the Taliban.

    But hey, let's go ahead and let history repeat itself. I hope it's not your kid that has to die in the next war, because we didn't finish this one.
    Go get those people. Fine. No problem. Invade and take the nation away for the people? No. It is their country and not ours.

    You still mistake a country for being responsible. Those who attacked us came from SA and Pakistan, our allies. They were not from Afghanistan. And OBL being there doesn't change that. Until you understand that we cannot invade enough countries to rid the world of an organization, you will keep supporting a repeat of the same mistakes.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Go get those people. Fine. No problem. Invade and take the nation away for the people? No. It is their country and not ours.

    You still mistake a country for being responsible. Those who attacked us came from SA and Pakistan, our allies. They were not from Afghanistan. And OBL being there doesn't change that. Until you understand that we cannot invade enough countries to rid the world of an organization, you will keep supporting a repeat of the same mistakes.
    It's not their country anymore, either. Obama is surrendering to the Taliban.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not their country anymore, either. Obama is surrendering to the Taliban.
    You could have argued his point with a much better rebuttal than "obama is surrendering to the taliban".

    Boo radley, we already are there, and simply "taking the nation away" is not what is occurring. Read all of cpwill's posts and tell me you still think a withdrawl is what is going to do it. You can't just track people down without having people on the ground.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    We can't fight a war without money. There's no point in trying to improve security situations overseas when our domestic situation is rapidly deteriorating. It would be like caring for the branches of a tree while the roots are rotting.

    Obama's speech was succinct. We have more concerns on the home front. Will there be consequences to the withdrawal? Probably. But we have no choice if we are going to survive as a nation. The military is not sacrosanct under the economic conditions - nothing is.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    We can't fight a war without money. There's no point in trying to improve security situations overseas when our domestic situation is rapidly deteriorating. It would be like caring for the branches of a tree while the roots are rotting.

    Obama's speech was succinct. We have more concerns on the home front. Will there be consequences to the withdrawal? Probably. But we have no choice if we are going to survive as a nation. The military is not sacrosanct under the economic conditions - nothing is.
    But there is no economic crisis currently in terms of our finances. We are not currently bankrupt and out of money. We can afford Afghanistan, I hate to tell you.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    We can't fight a war without money. There's no point in trying to improve security situations overseas when our domestic situation is rapidly deteriorating. It would be like caring for the branches of a tree while the roots are rotting.

    Obama's speech was succinct. We have more concerns on the home front. Will there be consequences to the withdrawal? Probably. But we have no choice if we are going to survive as a nation. The military is not sacrosanct under the economic conditions - nothing is.
    Perhaps the stealfromus package could have been spent more wisely?

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    But there is no economic crisis currently in terms of our finances. We are not currently bankrupt and out of money. We can afford Afghanistan, I hate to tell you.
    I hate to tell you....replacing the Afghan culture with something else is simply NOT achievable. This continued task would take a couple of generations and thousands of deaths and a tons of money.

    The *political position* is that we must get out to reduce expenditures is half the truth. The real truth of the matter is, the current regime with many in Congress see reduced military spending as a red herring to distract the masses from the actual and ongoing increase of spending in other sectors.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, for the rest of our lives, we'll have to listen to the libbos go on-n-on about how we lost Afghanistan.
    If it wasn't war it really would be funny!

    Hillary Clinton, asks "Whose side are you on?" Hillary Clinton to Libya War Critics: 'Whose Side Are You On?' - Hillary Clinton - Fox Nation

    George Bush must have had one pf his famous chuckles at hearing that.

    And Barrack Obama, appropriately enough, is "leading from the rear", as many of us often suspected. He talks through that way often enough/

    At one time spies would have to risk their lives in order to discover any info on their enemy but now the American President is telling everyone when the troop withdrawal will actually begin. I doubt Churchill would ever mentioned that to Hitler. Or maybe he's realizes that no one takes his words seriously anymore, so whatever he says doesn't really matter.

    It seems clear he was padding his resume when he called himself a 'Community Organizer".

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Doesn't matter. Afghanistan is not the US. What happens there is up to them.
    But....but...didn't candidate Obama, in 2008, support the people of Afghanistan?

    Obama calls situation in Afghanistan 'urgent' - CNN

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