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US troops coming home? Obama to say on Wednesday

Catawba said:
Just as I thought, no documentation to back up your personal opinion. Thanks anyway! :sun
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So, are you claiming that we didn't fight the Taliban when we invaded Afghanistan? You sure about that?
 
Catawba said:
LOL! Yeah, right!
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If Afghanistan is a wrap, why isn't Obama ordering the immediate withdrawal of all U.S. forces? Why drag it out over a year-and-a-half?
 
Catawba said:
We didn't go to war against the Taliban because they are not an international threat. If you think it is, cite the officials who said we were going to war against the Taliban when we first invaded Afghanistan.
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Who was in power when we went to war there?
 
apdst said:
If Afghanistan is a wrap, why isn't Obama ordering the immediate withdrawal of all U.S. forces? Why drag it out over a year-and-a-half?
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Because he shares the same wrong-headed notion that Bush did, that we have some more nation building to do.
 
ptif219 said:
Who was in power when we went to war there?
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Quit avoiding questions and trying to change the subject when you get stumped. You still haven't answered my question above - "cite the officials who said we were going to war against the Taliban when we first invaded Afghanistan?"
 
Catawba said:
We didn't go to war against the Taliban because they are not an international threat. If you think it is, cite the officials who said we were going to war against the Taliban when we first invaded Afghanistan.
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Wowwww...really? Ummm...we went to war against the government of Afghanistan for allowing Al Qaida to conduct terrorist activities within their borders and under their protection. And the Afghanistan government was comprised of...ummm...the Taliban...

You pin your hat on the silliest **** sometimes...
 
VanceMack said:
Wowwww...really? Ummm...we went to war against the government of Afghanistan for allowing Al Qaida to conduct terrorist activities within their borders and under their protection. And the Afghanistan government was comprised of...ummm...the Taliban...

You pin your hat on the silliest **** sometimes...
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A trillion dollars of debt and thousands of lives sacrificed later - "Awash in American and NATO money, Mr. Karzai’s government is widely regarded as one of the most corrupt in the world. The Times has reported on the extensive web of Karzai family members leveraging the president’s position to put them at the center of a new oligarchy of powerful Afghan families.

Western critics have accused Mr. Karzai of weak leadership, cutting deals with warlords, tolerating drug smugglers and ignoring rampant corruption that has fed the insurgency. The relationship between Mr. Karzai and the Obama administration, which has made fighting the endemic corruption in the Afghan government a major policy goal, has been contentious."

Hamid Karzai News - The New York Times

Congrats! :sun
 
apdst said:
When the enemy no longer possesses the will to wage war. It's just like any other war. Just like The Civil War, The Boer War, The Algerian Civil War, The Spanish Civil War, The Peninsular Wars.
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you haven't a clue
as is evident by your pointing to conventional warfare as a comparison when what we are fighting is an asymmetrical conflict
the enemy will always possess the will to wage war until we quit doing those things which motivated them to wage war against the world's most powerful conventional military power
only a fool would believe that our presence diminishes the will of the terrorists who hate us to no longer have the will to oppose us
the war you failed to note which closely resembles what we are engaged in in afghanistan is vietnam. how did that work out when we declared victory and ran the hell away
santayana was right ...

One would think that vice mindlessly parroting the usual, "duh...what does victory look like", for nearly tens years, the more intelligent and educated Libbos would actually do some research on the subject and find out for themselves what, "victory looks like".
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the reason you keep seeing this question "what would victory look like" is because no one is able to answer it
so, do that for us. tell us what victory will look like in afghanistan
and if you stand on 'when the opposition no longer has the will to fight', tell us how we will know when they have lost that will, and why they will not simply wait us out and then return with a willingness to resume the fight after we have left

I'll make it easy for you; reverse engineer the equation and tell us what, "victory looks like", to the Taliban and al Qaeda.
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you have made it easy for yourself - to evade the question
so, use your 'reverse engineering' and describe for us what victory looks like in afghanistan so we will know when we have 'won'
 
Catawba said:
A trillion dollars of debt and thousands of lives sacrificed later - "Awash in American and NATO money, Mr. Karzai’s government is widely regarded as one of the most corrupt in the world. The Times has reported on the extensive web of Karzai family members leveraging the president’s position to put them at the center of a new oligarchy of powerful Afghan families.

Western critics have accused Mr. Karzai of weak leadership, cutting deals with warlords, tolerating drug smugglers and ignoring rampant corruption that has fed the insurgency. The relationship between Mr. Karzai and the Obama administration, which has made fighting the endemic corruption in the Afghan government a major policy goal, has been contentious."

Hamid Karzai News - The New York Times

Congrats! :sun
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So at least you drop the silliness with regard to the Taliban. Well done.

FTR...You wont find me defending our post-war responses in Iraq OR Afghanistan. Ive said numerous times...great job winning the war...lousy job of post-ops. We should have been out of there within 5 years, and if both countries wanted to allow the Taliban back in or Al Qaida to terrorize them...if their people werent willing to stand up and take responsibility for their country and security, screw em...they deserve their fate.
 
VanceMack said:
So at least you drop the silliness with regard to the Taliban. Well done.

FTR...You wont find me defending our post-war responses in Iraq OR Afghanistan. Ive said numerous times...great job winning the war...lousy job of post-ops. We should have been out of there within 5 years, and if both countries wanted to allow the Taliban back in or Al Qaida to terrorize them...if their people werent willing to stand up and take responsibility for their country and security, screw em...they deserve their fate.
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The Taliban were never a threat to us, they are still there, and they will be there when we are gone. I agree with your position on the post-ops in Afghanistan. Iraq is another matter. We should never have waged war on one of the most defenseless countries on the planet after the Persian Gulf war and 10 years of sanctions. Anyone involved with the Persian Gulf war and the effects of a decade of Sanctions should have known Iraq was of no threat to us or its neighbors.
 
apdst said:
Destroy a terrorist threat and that threat wasn't represented by a single person.
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That could have been done with invading. And we could and can deal with that with nation building. So,are you sure that was the job? If so, we should come home now.
 
apdst said:
When the enemy no longer possesses the will to wage war. It's just like any other war. Just like The Civil War, The Boer War, The Algerian Civil War, The Spanish Civil War, The Peninsular Wars.

One would think that vice mindlessly parroting the usual, "duh...what does victory look like", for nearly tens years, the more intelligent and educated Libbos would actually do some research on the subject and find out for themselves what, "victory looks like".

I'll make it easy for you; reverse engineer the equation and tell us what, "victory looks like", to the Taliban and al Qaeda.
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If we were fighting the government of Afghanistan, had they attacked us,you might have a point. However, that is not the case.
 
Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

As we celebrate the landing on the moon by Apollo 11, let's contemplate Afghanistan:

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Boo Radley said:
we should come home now
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18 months from now there will be more than twice as many americans in afghanistan---OBAMA'S WAR---as there were when he was inaugurated

that's IF his plan goes down as he hopes

american casualties over there have increased 400% since he ESCALATED

how's libya going, by the way?

hostilities, anyone?

party on, progressives

represent
 
The Prof said:
18 months from now there will be more than twice as many americans in afghanistan---OBAMA'S WAR---as there were when he was inaugurated

that's IF his plan goes down as he hopes

american casualties over there have increased 400% since he ESCALATED

how's libya going, by the way?

hostilities, anyone?

party on, progressives

represent
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you term this war dicknbush began as Obama's war
which causes me to believe you have painted Obama in a no-win situation
but prove me wrong
explain what Obama should have done differently
 
justabubba said:
you term this war dicknbush began as Obama's war
which causes me to believe you have painted Obama in a no-win situation
but prove me wrong
explain what Obama should have done differently
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To explain, you have to think, have a thought. Much easier to link sources you haven't read or fully understood.
 
Boo Radley said:
Much easier to link sources you haven't read or fully understood.
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says the link challenged 60 second clicker who cites the SYDNEY MORNING HERALD

on behalf of school teachers

in NEW YORK

LOL!
 
Catawba said:
The Taliban were never a threat to us, they are still there, and they will be there when we are gone. I agree with your position on the post-ops in Afghanistan. Iraq is another matter. We should never have waged war on one of the most defenseless countries on the planet after the Persian Gulf war and 10 years of sanctions. Anyone involved with the Persian Gulf war and the effects of a decade of Sanctions should have known Iraq was of no threat to us or its neighbors.
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And yet every elected democrat and world intel agency believed Iraq under Saddam was in fact a threat and the only reason you have the ability to lob accurate tosses from your armchair is because Bush actually acted instead of passing yet another 17 UN resolutions 'demanding' compliance. We know what we know ONLY because Bush acted. Fact...reality...deal with it.
 
VanceMack said:
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And yet every elected democrat and world intel agency believed Iraq under Saddam was in fact a threat and the only reason you have the ability to lob accurate tosses from your armchair is because Bush actually acted instead of passing yet another 17 UN resolutions 'demanding' compliance. We know what we know ONLY because Bush acted. Fact...reality...deal with it.
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False, factually inaccurate. few believed Saddam was the threat Bush claimed him to be. Even fewer believed he had active programs.
 
The Prof said:
LOL!

obama did that all by himself
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really
as the incoming commander-in-chief, he did not have to deal with the afghanistan war left to him by dicknbush
one can only imagine the reich wing comments had he not stepped up to the plate and deal with that situation as president
 
cfr, council on foreign relations, august, 2009:

During the presidential campaign, Obama emphasized that the war in Iraq was the wrong one; it was the effort in Afghanistan, al Qaeda's base, that was the right war. "Only a comprehensive strategy that prioritizes Afghanistan and the fight against al Qaeda will succeed," Obama said, "and that's the change I'll bring to the White House." The notion that Afghanistan was the epicenter of global terrorism and would prove to be an enduring source of danger to the United States unless the Taliban were subdued became a recurring theme.
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Can the Right War Be Won? | Foreign Affairs
 
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