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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    IMO, the President's announcement should do among the following:

    1. Lay out a path that leads to Afghanistan's formation of a stable, representative, and broadly-supported government that is widely-perceived among Afghanistan's peoples as legitimate by 2014 (when elections are supposed to be held). If Mr. Karzai could be persuaded or induced not to seek office in that election, the political development process could be facilitated. Political development will be crucial if Afghanistan is to have a sustainable government beyond 2014.

    2. Such political development will also need to be coordinated with Afghanistan's neighbors so as to minimize interference should they believe their interests would be threatened e.g., from the rise of a power vacuum, etc.

    3. Continue to train Afghanistan's security forces.

    4. Troop levels and departures should be consistent with the security requirements of the above framework.

    It should be noted that robust pursuit of political development toward an outcome that would be widely-backed by Afghanistan's peoples could erode domestic sources of support for destabilizing elements e.g., Al Qaeda. It could also help marginalize the Taliban.

    Beyond 2014, a smaller U.S. force could remain to act as an enforcement mechanism for the political arrangement that would be created until some point in time where Afghanistan no longer needs such a mechanism. The U.S. and Afghanistan's neighbors could ill-afford to see the Taliban launch a fresh offensive and conquer Afghanistan in the wake of a complete U.S. withdrawal as happened in Vietnam in 1975.
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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Obama did not listen to his Generals in 2009 and he is not listening now. Obama who has never served knows more than the generals.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Obama did not listen to his Generals in 2009 and he is not listening now. Obama who has never served knows more than the generals.
    Maybe no, but he wouldn't be the first not to.

    However, didn't he listen to them concerning the surge? You know, when the generals said we could do it and still not be successful, but do it anyway?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Obama did not listen to his Generals in 2009 and he is not listening now. Obama who has never served knows more than the generals.
    He's the Commander In Chief, not them. If the generals were meant to make such decisions, they'd be in charge.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Maybe no, but he wouldn't be the first not to.

    However, didn't he listen to them concerning the surge? You know, when the generals said we could do it and still not be successful, but do it anyway?
    No he gave them half of the amount of troops asked for

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No he gave them half of the amount of troops asked for

    If you ask me, he shouldn't have supported it at all. Have genrals always gotten everything they've asked for?

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    He's the Commander In Chief, not them. If the generals were meant to make such decisions, they'd be in charge.
    Some one with no experience or knowledge should listen to the advisers that have made it a life long career

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If you ask me, he shouldn't have supported it at all. Have genrals always gotten everything they've asked for?
    What does Obama know about war or military? He should listen to the experts

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    What does Obama know about war or military? He should listen to the experts
    WHy do you think we don't let generals make these decisions? If you know the answer to that, you will know why.

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    Re: President Obama To Announce Details of Afghanistan Strategy On Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Some one with no experience or knowledge should listen to the advisers that have made it a life long career
    Right, Obama has no knowledge. That's not a flawed statement at all.

    Of course he should take their opinions into account, but there are other factors at work here (the budget, the will of the American people, the sustainability of a decade-long war, whether or not our goals have changed post-bin Laden, the movement of al Qaeda to other parts of the world) that need to be factored in as well. Again, if our founders wanted the generals to make these types of decisions, that would be how it works. It isn't.

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