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    Re: Pawlenty's super-rich tax cuts

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    As a person about to be on the other side of 50 next year, I for one hope that this look at outcomes doesn't lead to doing away with methods that can only be learned by application. If you are saying, and I am not assuming you are, but if you are saying that looking at outcomes means that taking that medical step to save the 72 year old isn't worth the cost of treatment, then I guess we have learned all we can medically because innovation stops there.
    I would profoundly disagree with any approach that institutionalizes barriers to innovation. The pursuit of innovation and a focus on outcomes are not inherently contradictory. Pitting one against the other is a false choice. Innovation is almost certainly one of the keys to achieving better outcomes. Moreover, finding approaches that materially improve the quality of life of older persons could well represent a breakthrough in flattening the age-related cost curve and, given demographic trends, make an important contribution to a more financially-viable health system.
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    Re: Pawlenty's super-rich tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i'm guessing you have nothing more to add to the conversation? the question was, where are the jobs? the conservative/republican mantra has always been cut taxes, cut taxes, cut taxes, cut taxes...they say it will stimulate the economy, CREATE JOBS...i'm simply asking, with bush tax cuts in place, why are we not seeing tons of jobs created? if lower taxes are equal to more jobs, WHERE ARE THE JOBS?
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    Re: Pawlenty's super-rich tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    The only thing that is trickling down is bull****.
    No, that isn't true at all. Tax cuts alone reach a point where their effect on economic outcomes reaches a static point, we may be there. But to say that the cuts that Bush put in place after 9/11 didn't help turn the economy and steer it out of the recession at that time is either willful ignorance, or talking point pap from liberal sourcing.

    If the tax rates that Bush enacted after 9/11 weren't helpful at all, then why did Obama extend them?

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    Re: Pawlenty's super-rich tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, that isn't true at all. Tax cuts alone reach a point where their effect on economic outcomes reaches a static point, we may be there. But to say that the cuts that Bush put in place after 9/11 didn't help turn the economy and steer it out of the recession at that time is either willful ignorance, or talking point pap from liberal sourcing.

    If the tax rates that Bush enacted after 9/11 weren't helpful at all, then why did Obama extend them?

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    Two reasons.

    1) The Republicans didn't want him to
    2) He does not have a backbone
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    Re: Pawlenty's super-rich tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Two reasons.

    1) The Republicans didn't want him to
    2) He does not have a backbone

    1. I believe at the time the republicans were a minority in both houses, so that one is out considering how he rammed through unpopular bills like HC without bipartisan support.

    2. Backbone? So, he should buck the will of the people?

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    Re: Pawlenty's super-rich tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    1. I believe at the time the republicans were a minority in both houses, so that one is out considering how he rammed through unpopular bills like HC without bipartisan support.

    2. Backbone? So, he should buck the will of the people?

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    Did the Republican not pressure him to not eleminate the tax cuts? And please... the will of the people????
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    Re: Pawlenty's super-rich tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Did the Republican not pressure him to not eleminate the tax cuts?
    So? What could they do legislatively? NOTHING! So Obama played for political expediency and to you that means an opportunity to blame it on republicans? Nice disingenuous tactic you have there.

    And please... the will of the people????
    There you have it folks, the true unmasked face of liberals....Care about the people? hell no.....

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    Re: Pawlenty's super-rich tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So? What could they do legislatively? NOTHING! So Obama played for political expediency and to you that means an opportunity to blame it on republicans? Nice disingenuous tactic you have there.



    There you have it folks, the true unmasked face of liberals....Care about the people? hell no.....

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    Your short-term memory needs some work:

    Tax Cut Deal: President Obama Compares Republicans to Hostage Takers - ABC News
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    Re: Pawlenty's super-rich tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I don't think he deliberately wants default. I suspect that his problem is that he doesn't see the big picture how tax revenues and federal expenditures fit together to determine the nation's annual surplus or, in this case, deficit.
    I get this feeling from every Republican except Romney and Huntsman. What really bothers me about Bachmann is that she's a tax attorney but does not appear to understand how taxes can promote growth through spending and immediate cuts to spending and closing loopholes have the potential to be major job killers. Someone in her field should know better.

    He has argued that the federal government should not raise the debt ceiling (in effect forcing it to immediately balance the budget) without offering specifics on what programs should be cut/eliminated to avoid default.
    To be fair, it is a bit early in the race and I honestly don't see him as a specifics kind of guy.

    He hasn't even suggested what he believes are essential services that should be carried out. In addition, he has argued for the balanced budget amendment, a gimmick that has failed at the state level, with the overwhelming number of states bound by such an amendment running up persistent deficits and piling up debt.
    Or constantly pulling money from rainy day funds. I do agree that an annual balanced budget amendment is stupid.

    Substance is lacking, and I suspect that the substance is lacking precisely because the numbers would not add up.
    No disagreement there.
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