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Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to 2012

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According to the mulitple recounts, Republicans stole Florida by . . .. a majority.


oldest, dirtiest trick in the book.
 
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1) I am an American
2) The Electoral College is useless
3) Most agree that Florida was stolen by republicans in some way.

1)Then you should understand how the Electoral College and State Rights work.

2) Whether or not the Electoral College is "useless" or not it is still in effect, making the popular vote a non-issue.

3) Most do not agree with that at all and if anyone does diagre they are not acquainted with the facts.. There were several recounts done by the media, well after the decision by the courts, and Gore never led in one of them. It's disturbing that a Canadian would have to explain to an American, if indeed you are one, what went on during and following that election.
 
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then I fail to see the basis for your complaint.

Unless, you are trying to muddy the issue. This is a common debate tactic.

Here is your original post.

I don't particularly care about the charges of whether one race or demographic was favored over another. What I do care about is that voters were flat out lied to, and that sort of thing should be prosecuted as fraud.

"Voters were flat out lied to" during the election campaign and, as I said, no one who voted for BHO seems to mind all that much.

But the key part of this latest charge is this.
But even before Schurick or Henson appear in court, political analysts and leading members of Maryland’s black community said Friday that the image painted in the indictment of a Republican strategy session to target Maryland’s black voters could resonate in the 2012 presidential race, and possibly long after in state politics.

“We know this goes on behind closed doors and this is going to make us more aware for a long time,” said Gerald Stansbury, president of the Maryland state conference of the NAACP. “It’s an appalling situation and it’s going to open a lot of people’s eyes, not just here, but everywhere.”

And that's the entire strategy and one that has been used previously. All Democrats have to do is plant the idea that this is going on and it will cement the idea further that the extremely important Black voting bloc will continue to follow the Democrats. It no long matters whether the story is true or not,

There's an old political saying that if you throw enough crap against the side of a barn (concerning your political opponent) some of it is bound to stick. This is one of those moments..
 
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Here is your original post.



"Voters were flat out lied to" during the election campaign and, as I said, no one who voted for BHO seems to mind all that much.

But the key part of this latest charge is this.

yes, they were lied to in order to lower their voter turn out.

And that's the entire strategy and one that has been used previously. All Democrats have to do is plant the idea that this is going on and it will cement the idea further that the extremely important Black voting bloc will continue to follow the Democrats. It no long matters whether the story is true or not,

There's an old political saying that if you throw enough crap against the side of a barn (concerning your political opponent) some of it is bound to stick. This is one of those moments..

There is, of course, a major difference in flat out lying and a viewpoint or opinion. Now I don't particularly agree with the NAACP's viewpoint, but I can see where they could hold it and have a reference to events as supporting evidence.

to recap, having two different views and interpretations of events, both supported by the fact = different opinions.
telling something that is patently untrue and can easily be checked vs the facts = lying
lying in an area where it impacts and reduces civil rights = a huge problem and reason for outrage.
 
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yes, they were lied to in order to lower their voter turn out.

And where is your evidence?

There is, of course, a major difference in flat out lying and a viewpoint or opinion. Now I don't particularly agree with the NAACP's viewpoint, but I can see where they could hold it and have a reference to events as supporting evidence.

But there are those who are offering opinion as fact.

to recap, having two different views and interpretations of events, both supported by the fact = different opinions.
telling something that is patently untrue and can easily be checked vs the facts = lying
lying in an area where it impacts and reduces civil rights = a huge problem and reason for outrage.

Then lets see your facts.
 
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And where is your evidence?



But there are those who are offering opinion as fact.



Then lets see your facts.

You did actually bother to read the article I posted, right?
 
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You did actually bother to read the article I posted, right?

In fact I quoted part of it to you.

Can you answer the question?
 
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Does this mean that Democrats are going be prosecuted when military votes are suppressed?

Of course not. Remember the Black Panthers that stood outside of a polling booth in Philly, intimidating voters? Eric Holder dropped that case like a hot potato. Here's a video of him defending that position. Now, I'm not saying that suppressing the black vote is a good thing. I think it's awful and shameful. I just want to remind everyone that it's not a problem that can be attributed to one party.
 
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Side topic, noticed the sig
Certitude: n. The knowledge/confidence that you have not been sending nude/semi-nude pictures of yourself to random women on the internet.

Weinertude would then be the opposite, right?
 
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It's only okay to intimidate voters if you are blocking "Whitey"

John Fund: Black Panther Voter Intimidation Case Dropped - WSJ.com

President Obama's Justice Department continues to stonewall inquiries about why it dropped a voter intimidation case against the New Black Panther Party.

The episode—which Bartle Bull, a former civil rights lawyer and publisher of the left-wing Village Voice, calls "the most blatant form of voter intimidation I've ever seen"—began on Election Day 2008. Mr. Bull and others witnessed two Black Panthers in paramilitary garb at a polling place near downtown Philadelphia. (Some of this behavior is on YouTube.)

One of them, they say, brandished a nightstick at the entrance and pointed it at voters and both made racial threats. Mr. Bull says he heard one yell "You are about to be ruled by the black man, cracker!"
 
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In fact I quoted part of it to you.

Can you answer the question?

Here it is from the article.

Election Night robo-calls to mostly black neighborhoods in Baltimore and Washington’s eastern Maryland suburbs. The calls told tens of thousands of residents to “relax” and not worry about voting, because Democrats had already won.
 
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Regarding Florida...does anyone have any instances of actual voter denial from 2000? I recall interviews with several protestors who claimed their rights where violated but when asked which voting precint they were turned away from or where they attempted to vote they couldnt provide either. I recall protestors carrying signs decrying a return to 'Jim Crow" laws but when asked what Jim Crow laws were or how they were returning to Jim Crow era laws couldnt answer. It was obvious they were part of Jessie Jacksons bussed in out of town outrage.

Ive long maintained that I would support (hell..I'll financially back) a lawsuit by any person who was actually legally allowed to vote in a district but was turned away. The only caveat being that if that person is lying they should go to prison. Other than bull**** claims, Ive never seen anyone documented that was denied their right to vote.

Florida was a fiasco...but then so was Wisconsin with students stuffing ballot boxes, New Mexico, Washington state with voter fraud, Ohio with homeless people being rounded up and fed hotmeals and given cigarettesa dn alcohol while others filled out their ballots for them, or Ohio where the courts ordered polling places to re-open to allow people to vote. Florida to my knowledge has never had an unabridged county by county including military absentee ballot full voter recount. its always been counties in republican or democrat heavy areas targeted for recount.
 
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Regarding Florida...does anyone have any instances of actual voter denial from 2000? I recall interviews with several protestors who claimed their rights where violated but when asked which voting precint they were turned away from or where they attempted to vote they couldnt provide either. I recall protestors carrying signs decrying a return to 'Jim Crow" laws but when asked what Jim Crow laws were or how they were returning to Jim Crow era laws couldnt answer. It was obvious they were part of Jessie Jacksons bussed in out of town outrage.

Ive long maintained that I would support (hell..I'll financially back) a lawsuit by any person who was actually legally allowed to vote in a district but was turned away. The only caveat being that if that person is lying they should go to prison. Other than bull**** claims, Ive never seen anyone documented that was denied their right to vote.

Florida was a fiasco...but then so was Wisconsin with students stuffing ballot boxes, New Mexico, Washington state with voter fraud, Ohio with homeless people being rounded up and fed hotmeals and given cigarettesa dn alcohol while others filled out their ballots for them, or Ohio where the courts ordered polling places to re-open to allow people to vote. Florida to my knowledge has never had an unabridged county by county including military absentee ballot full voter recount. its always been counties in republican or democrat heavy areas targeted for recount.

The result in Florida is history, and cant be changed... done is done.

The problem with Florida was it exposed the massive flaws in the election system. Not only cant people count or agree on what is a legit vote, but the fact that the person in charge of validating and organising the vote was a party politician of one of the parties, and closely connected to one of the candidates... the one that won. The conflict of interest in the whole mess (and later on in Ohio and pretty much everywhere else) is a massive problem since you cant trust anyone involved.

On top of that you had the 1351461 different versions of "how to run an election", instead of a unified simple system like in most industrialised western countries. This in turn means that people can even question the whole process in the individual area that is in contention.

Like it or not the basis for democracy is that you trust the election system and the people who run it. You cant say that of the US election system.. and that is what Florida (and later Ohio and elsewhere) showed us..... the inability to fix the election system at local, state and national level, so that there is full transparency and equality in rules and law. With this comes trust and the many law suits over results will go away.
 
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The editorial standards of the Washington Post hit a new low with this one. The article cites a criminal indictment whose "centerpiece" is a single document presented at a meeting of a Republican "brain trust" outlining a strategy that even the state prosecutor appointed by the Democrat governor admitted was rejected by those present at the meeting. The article provides further "evidence" of a "Republican doctrine" to suppress the black vote by quoting a representative of the NAACP and referencing a statement by a political science professor that there "may be" such a doctrine.

In light of this shoddy reporting, when do we get the Post article concerning the Democrat doctrine to register dead people, felons, illegal aliens, and Mary Poppins? :confused:
 
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The Republicans say they rejected that proposal. How do we not know that this wasn't the actions of an individual?

We don't. But let's just pounce on it and say ALL Republicans agree with it anyway, just fir ****s and giggles.
 
Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

The editorial standards of the Washington Post hit a new low with this one. The article cites a criminal indictment whose "centerpiece" is a single document presented at a meeting of a Republican "brain trust" outlining a strategy that even the state prosecutor appointed by the Democrat governor admitted was rejected by those present at the meeting. The article provides further "evidence" of a "Republican doctrine" to suppress the black vote by quoting a representative of the NAACP and referencing a statement by a political science professor that there "may be" such a doctrine.

In light of this shoddy reporting, when do we get the Post article concerning the Democrat doctrine to register dead people, felons, illegal aliens, and Mary Poppins? :confused:

If innuendo and supposition and lies are not enough to convince you that the Republicans are supressing the black vote and are evil baby killers, I don't know what will.
 
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Here it is from the article.

That is accusations, not evidence!

This sort of dirty politics, accusations without substance, has been going on for years but often they are just accusations, and eventually urban myths,

The aftermath of these accusations was alluded to in the article, and thats the whole point in making them.
 
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That is accusations, not evidence!

This sort of dirty politics, accusations without substance, has been going on for years but often they are just accusations, and eventually urban myths,

The aftermath of these accusations was alluded to in the article, and thats the whole point in making them.

The accusation was that the person indicted was responsible, not that the robocalls happened. That part is known.

The purpose of the trail is to attempt to find out who is responsible.

Whats the point of rehashing known information? Are you trying to question whether the robocalls happened at all? If so, then why did it get as far as a grand jury?
 
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Regarding Florida...does anyone have any instances of actual voter denial from 2000?

Here's some. Notice how it's almost entirely blacks whose votes were prevented. Not to mention how the voting machines in white and republican areas were set to return any ballots with mistakes on them, so the ballots could be corrected and resubmitted, and those in black areas were set to keep and simply discard incorrect ballots, without informing the voters whose votes were being ignored.
 
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Stupid and illiterate people should not be allowed to vote that would mean that Obama would not be in office

In California it is illegal aliens that flock to vote by mail because you can register and vote and there are no checks yo make sure you are of legal age or here legally.

Voting is a privilege that that should be closely monitored to insure that voters can at least read English.

Today there are so many people who are high school graduates that are illiterate it's not funny and most of them are minorities because they come from one parent families and that one parent is also illiterate.

Most high school graduates these days don't have any clue about the Constitution.

I registered to vote by mail when I retired and moved back to California. I did it over the Web and it's been almost 4 years and they didn't check a damn thing.
I could have been a member of the Taliban anf they would never know or care for that matter.

Yes. Exactly. We need some kind of test to ensure that they are upstanding hardworking citizens. Since everybody knows that freedom isn't free maybe there needs to be a fee for the privilege of voting, you know to pay for the testing.
 
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Here's some. Notice how it's almost entirely blacks whose votes were prevented. Not to mention how the voting machines in white and republican areas were set to return any ballots with mistakes on them, so the ballots could be corrected and resubmitted, and those in black areas were set to keep and simply discard incorrect ballots, without informing the voters whose votes were being ignored.

An interesting read, to be sure. Seems the majority were simply not registered. I truly believe that instead of congressional hearings there should have been legal proceedings...trials...with both sides submitting evidence. I stand by what i said...if someone was found guilty of denying someone their legal right to vote they should be jailed.

Seems to me though there was an awful lot of people that were not properly registered or registered twice. That also should be looked into.

Finally...about a third of the page you cited mentioned voter intimidation by police (none of the information mentioned the military votes were denied...I wont say that INVALIDATES your source, but it sure makes it look a little questionable and one sided). It IS interesting that 'What If...? likes your posting about voter intimidation by police officers at polling locations, but ridicules the concern about 'scawy' people with nightsticks as being intimidating.

yeah...bias is still a problem, isnt it?
 
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It's only okay to intimidate voters if you are blocking "Whitey"

John Fund: Black Panther Voter Intimidation Case Dropped - WSJ.com


Wasn't that the case that was dropped by the Bush DOJ because "voter intimidation" cases requires that there be intimidation? The case was dropped because nobody came forward to say that they were intimidated.

Should they just have went ahead with the case when it was apparent that no crime was committed?
 
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In Florida, 2000, some dems around campus didn't bother because the vote was called dem in the afternoon by major networks.

An announcement like that works both ways. If the election is called for anyone, why would anyone vote. If I am not mistaken the race in Florida was first called for Gore before the polls in the panhandle were closed. A portion of the panhandle is in the Central timezone which includes Pensacola and Panama City and usually votes Republican.
 
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Two guys in silly costumes. SO scawy. Dere gonna get me, eeeeeee.

Wow dude, you really didn't watch the video or have a clue wtf you are talking about do you?

Bartle Bull, a former civil rights lawyer and publisher of the left-wing Village Voice, calls "the most blatant form of voter intimidation I've ever seen"
 
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