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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to 2012 - The Washington Post



    So we have a dispute between the parties about whether this strategy was used or not. However ...



    I don't particularly care about the charges of whether one race or demographic was favored over another. What I do care about is that voters were flat out lied to, and that sort of thing should be prosecuted as fraud.
    Voters were lied to during the last Presidential campaign but many of them seem curiously complacent about it.

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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Voters were lied to during the last Presidential campaign but many of them seem curiously complacent about it.
    They were tricked into not voting? Do you have the news articles? I am curious about this.

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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I disagree with that. Next time the ploy might work against the legitimate winner's favor.
    Next time? It worked against the illegitimate winner that time. Gore won the popular vote.
    Hayek - too liberal for republicans

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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    They were tricked into not voting? Do you have the news articles? I am curious about this.
    Do you see anywhere in that post where I claimed anyone was tricked into not voting???

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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Next time? It worked against the illegitimate winner that time. Gore won the popular vote.
    If you were an American you'd understand more about the Electoral College.

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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Anyone who is actually against racism and says that race should not matter should oppose affirmative action. So it is you who is on the wrong side of this issue. Anyone who beliefs in what Martin Luther King Jr said about not being judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character should oppose affirmative action.
    Can you guarantee that this country has become totally enlightened and that racism has totally been eradicated in this country?
    Both white and black?
    What safeguards are there to protect the minority against the majority (of any color)?
    The US Constitution was in place for 78 years before slaves were emancipated,100 years before Native Americans were even considered humans in the eyes of the "White Mans Law,133 years before the 19th amendment was passed,136 years before my mothers tribe was made US citizens,and 177 years before the end of "Jim Crow".
    It wasn't until 1978(age 15) that I was no longer forced into a Government Run Baording School For Native Americans (i.e. a Christianity Indoctrination Center).

    Just stating the facts.
    I fully agree with what MLK said and stood for.
    My father marched in Selma and endured arrests,beatings,waterhosings, just so I can have the rights I enjoy.
    And while philosophically I do not believe in Affirmative Action, excuse my skepticism and hesitation about the need to get rid of Affirmative Action just yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    There is nothing xenophobic about opposing ILLEGAL immigration or even wanting restrictions on legal immigration. Anyone considering themselves a patriot/nationalist, anyone wanting something done about the unemployment problem in this country and anyone wanting better wages for the working class should oppose illegal immigration regardless of party affiliation. And most people regardless of party affiliation oppose illegal immigration. Even César Chávez was against illegal immigration and guest worker programs and I seriously doubt he was a republican or conservative.
    I'm against illegal immigration myself,but then again I'm half descended from the Lakota Tribe (who's roots goes back over a few millennium on this land) and half Afro-American (who's ancestors who were brought against their will as slaves onto this country).

    The reason that there is such a thing as "legal" and "illegal" immigration is through conquest and ethnic cleansing by a foreign invader.
    On September 17, 1787,the year the US Constitution was drafted,no one asked the Indigenous,Black or Female (which would have constituted a majority of the inhabitants) what their thoughts on forming a "New Nation".
    That was done by a relatively small handfull of white property owners.
    It was recognized by European countries who were already in the process of carving up the rest of the planet for their purposes.

    Funny how a lot of people seem to forget that.

    People coming into this country "illegally" may be in the wrong,but at least they haven't tried to commit ethnic cleansing/genocide on the one already here.
    Just saying.


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post

    Anyone considering themselves an American should speak English and anyone wanting to be an American citizen should be proficient in English. People should not be divided by language.
    You could apply this same logic to religion.
    Since the only basis for that argument is the fact that the majority speaks the language,you could just as easily argue that since the majority of the people of this country are christian,anyone who wishes to be an American should become Christian.
    Again,just saying.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Discriminating against illegals has nothing to do with trying to suppress black votes nor are they the same or even in the same ballpark.
    Fully agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Discriminating against illegals amounts to discriminating against criminals.And race has nothing to do with illegal immigration
    While I fully believe in prosecuting criminals,it's that word "discrimination" that I have a big problem with.
    History has shown,time and time again,that people who "discriminate" against other human beings have a nasty habit of doing very ugly things to the people they're discriminating against.
    Again,just saying.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    There is absolutely nothing wrong with discriminating against illegals. They are trespassers,invaders, uninvited guests and criminals.
    My great,great, grandfather on my mother' s side Yamni Igmu (loosely translate:Five Foxes) probably would have used that exact same reasoning about why he and the Hunkpapa where killing white people in defense of their own land and way of life.

    Again,just saying the truth.

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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If you were an American you'd understand more about the Electoral College.
    1) I am an American
    2) The Electoral College is useless
    3) Most agree that Florida was stolen by republicans in some way.
    Hayek - too liberal for republicans

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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    1) I am an American
    2) The Electoral College is useless
    3) Most agree that Florida was stolen by republicans in some way.
    According to the mulitple recounts, Republicans stole Florida by . . .. a majority.

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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you see anywhere in that post where I claimed anyone was tricked into not voting???
    then I fail to see the basis for your complaint.

    Unless, you are trying to muddy the issue. This is a common debate tactic.
    Last edited by tacomancer; 06-19-11 at 09:05 AM.

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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    They were tricked into not voting? Do you have the news articles? I am curious about this.
    i think he's referring to broken campaign promises. an early and easy example of which would be Obama's decision not to take public funding.

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