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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The Republicans say they rejected that proposal. How do we not know that this wasn't the actions of an individual?
    That is what the court case is for, finding that out.

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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Suppressing the black vote was the entire way that Florida's electoral votes were given to the Republican party in 2000... Though unlike then, this tactic is simply dishonest, as opposed to massively illegal. But yeah, stopping black voters from voting has been a strategy for a long time.
    That's a very good point. In 2000 what happened was illegal, while calling people and telling them there is no need to vote isn't. It's unethical, but not illegal. Time and time again Republicans can be seen on the wrong side of race issues...whether it be Affirmative Action or their Xenophobic discourse when it comes to illegal and legal immigration - they think all people should be required to speak english, for an example of how they discriminate against legal immigrants.

    This stuff just isn't surprising anymore.

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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

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    Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to 2012 - The Washington Post

    So we have a dispute between the parties about whether this strategy was used or not. However ...

    I don't particularly care about the charges of whether one race or demographic was favored over another. What I do care about is that voters were flat out lied to, and that sort of thing should be prosecuted as fraud.
    Eh...I think the race part of this is an important part of the story.

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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to 2012 - The Washington Post



    So we have a dispute between the parties about whether this strategy was used or not. However ...



    I don't particularly care about the charges of whether one race or demographic was favored over another. What I do care about is that voters were flat out lied to, and that sort of thing should be prosecuted as fraud.
    Ehrlich was/is a bitch. I'm not surprised. The only reason he managed to become Governor of Maryland was because the Democrats nominated an incompetent bimbo of a lieutenant governor in Kathleen Kennedy Townsend to run.
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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

    I'm very surprised this thread was dummied down to the intelligence level of prospective voters instead of focusing on the unethical or unlawful practise of voter surpression brought on by the robo-calls which allegedly were directed at majority Black voters. That should be the issue here, not whether or not the military vote wasn't counted, if illegal aliens were allowed to vote in other elections or any other argument intended to deflect from the issue at hand.

    Former governor Robert L. Ehrlich Jr was a Republican who lost the Maryland gubernatorial race in 2007. He ran again in 2010 and apparently was losing against his Democrat opponent, Martin J. O'Malley. On the day of the election, Ehrilich's campaign put out the robo-calls in an apparent attempt to wrongfully convince Black voters, the majority of which apparently vote Democrat, to stay away from the polls by telling them their apparent Democrat challenger had already won. It doesn't matter if what was said was true or not. The fact of the matter is IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN DONE. PERIOD!!!

    Now, for those who believe that voting is a "privilage" and not a right apparently either have never read the Constitution nor the Voting Rights Act or you're just blantantly being dishonest or at the very list you're even more ignorant than the Black voters you claim were for casting their vote for President Obama (who, BTW, has nothing to do with this issue; so I fail to see why his name was even mentioned here. BTW, thanks, Jamesrage for your post #16. If I could give 1,000 "Likes" for that post I would.) To that part of the issue that matters, while I will say that those who listened to the robo-calls and believed them were foolishly gulliable whether they be Black or White, I do believe it is dishonest for a politician or political action committee to saction such calls because they are misleading especially when such are "directed" at a specific demographic that historically or statistically happens to vote a specific way that goes counter to a particular political party. So, if Robert L. Ehrlich Jr or anyone is found guilty for supporting these robo-calls, they should be charged to the fullest extent of the law.

    Voting is a right, not a privilage granted to every U.S. citizen who is 18 years of age and older in accordance with our Constitution. It should never be surpressed under any circumstances.
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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

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    Time and time again Republicans can be seen on the wrong side of race issues...whether it be Affirmative Action
    Anyone who is actually against racism and says that race should not matter should oppose affirmative action. So it is you who is on the wrong side of this issue. Anyone who beliefs in what Martin Luther King Jr said about not being judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character should oppose affirmative action.


    or their Xenophobic discourse when it comes to illegal and legal immigration
    There is nothing xenophobic about opposing ILLEGAL immigration or even wanting restrictions on legal immigration. Anyone considering themselves a patriot/nationalist, anyone wanting something done about the unemployment problem in this country and anyone wanting better wages for the working class should oppose illegal immigration regardless of party affiliation. And most people regardless of party affiliation oppose illegal immigration. Even César Chávez was against illegal immigration and guest worker programs and I seriously doubt he was a republican or conservative.


    they think all people should be required to speak english,
    Anyone considering themselves an American should speak English and anyone wanting to be an American citizen should be proficient in English. People should not be divided by language.

    for an example of how they discriminate against legal immigrants.
    Discriminating against illegals has nothing to do with trying to suppress black votes nor are they the same or even in the same ballpark. Discriminating against illegals amounts to discriminating against criminals.And race has nothing to do with illegal immigration


    This stuff just isn't surprising anymore.
    There is absolutely nothing wrong with discriminating against illegals. They are trespassers,invaders, uninvited guests and criminals.
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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Stupid and illiterate people should not be allowed to vote that would mean that Obama would not be in office

    In California it is illegal aliens that flock to vote by mail because you can register and vote and there are no checks yo make sure you are of legal age or here legally.

    Voting is a privilege that that should be closely monitored to insure that voters can at least read English.

    Today there are so many people who are high school graduates that are illiterate it's not funny and most of them are minorities because they come from one parent families and that one parent is also illiterate.

    Most high school graduates these days don't have any clue about the Constitution.

    I registered to vote by mail when I retired and moved back to California. I did it over the Web and it's been almost 4 years and they didn't check a damn thing.
    I could have been a member of the Taliban anf they would never know or care for that matter.
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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

    Quote Originally Posted by bluemoon22 View Post
    That's a very good point. In 2000 what happened was illegal, while calling people and telling them there is no need to vote isn't. It's unethical, but not illegal. Time and time again Republicans can be seen on the wrong side of race issues...whether it be Affirmative Action or their Xenophobic discourse when it comes to illegal and legal immigration - they think all people should be required to speak english, for an example of how they discriminate against legal immigrants.

    This stuff just isn't surprising anymore.
    I reckon that means that when the media annouced the Florida poll closure two hours premature, they were breaking the law, as well?

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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I reckon that means that when the media annouced the Florida poll closure two hours premature, they were breaking the law, as well?
    no, they were just being ****ty forecasters. There's a difference between incompetence and orchestration.
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    Re: Republican ‘doctrine’ on suppressing black vote is key to Md. case, and maybe to

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    no, they were just being ****ty forecasters. There's a difference between incompetence and orchestration.
    So, knowingly causing 50,000+ plus voters to not vote, because of a false report isn't illegal? Sounds like voter suppression to me.

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