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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    I have always worked in some sort of service/retail business..
    I have found that those who choose to speak spanish are beinbg rude..

    Rudeness (also called impudence or effrontery ) is a display of disrespectfulness by not complying with the social "laws" or etiquette of a group or culture.

    When I was working It does seem rude whern a patron will speak to you in English, then turn to their partner & speak in Spanish. It's like wisperinb. If you feekl the need to whisper ya probably should not be saying it.
    although I believe in social justice, I do NOT believe in special treatment/catoring to those who refuse to learn.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by BentWingedAngel View Post
    I have always worked in some sort of service/retail business..
    I have found that those who choose to speak spanish are beinbg rude..

    Rudeness (also called impudence or effrontery ) is a display of disrespectfulness by not complying with the social "laws" or etiquette of a group or culture.

    When I was working It does seem rude whern a patron will speak to you in English, then turn to their partner & speak in Spanish. It's like wisperinb. If you feekl the need to whisper ya probably should not be saying it.
    although I believe in social justice, I do NOT believe in special treatment/catoring to those who refuse to learn.
    If they're speaking to YOU in English, how is it special treatment? They aren't requiring anything special in order to interact with society at large. If they want to speak Spanish to their partner, why not?

    I only care that they know the language and are able to speak it to interact with society. What they want to speak with their friends and family is up to them.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    if you've been in a country where the prevalent language is english for 23 years and you are still more comfortable speaking something else....you are a dumbass.
    Great - this still has no effect on my criticism of the senator.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    What a load of BS.

    This was a formal hearing, and the language of this country and the people in that room is English. How are these state senators supposed to address his issues if he won't communicate in their language?

    Do we need to have 150 translators in the room in case someone comes in speaking some 4th dialect of a Tanzanian tribe?
    We know how this works. I'm assuming that when he spoke, he was placed under oath. I think I'd want to speak in my first language in a legal setting where misspeaking can land you in trouble.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    If they're speaking to YOU in English, how is it special treatment? They aren't requiring anything special in order to interact with society at large. If they want to speak Spanish to their partner, why not?

    I only care that they know the language and are able to speak it to interact with society. What they want to speak with their friends and family is up to them.
    Sorry did not articulate properly on "the special treatment issue" I have found that when they cannot articulate in English they seem to feel that is is up to us to figure out what they are saying. Also when you tell someone that the price of servfice/item is say $10, & they hand you $5 & turn away! lol
    Also whern ity comes to what is said to friends & such if ya need to use a differing lang. maybe hold the thought to later. Does it bother you if folks whisper in front of you?
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by toddwv View Post
    We know how this works. I'm assuming that when he spoke, he was placed under oath. I think I'd want to speak in my first language in a legal setting where misspeaking can land you in trouble.
    His English sounded perfectly fine for the couple sentences he spoke.

    Furthermore, having a translator destroys a lot of the original meaning as well. As was pointed out earlier, translations from one language to another and back again almost always wind up being significantly different. He's not avoiding that problem by using a translator. He might be making it worse.

    ...And his English was fine.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by BentWingedAngel View Post
    Sorry did not articulate properly on "the special treatment issue" I have found that when they cannot articulate in English they seem to feel that is is up to us to figure out what they are saying. Also when you tell someone that the price of servfice/item is say $10, & they hand you $5 & turn away! lol
    Also whern ity comes to what is said to friends & such if ya need to use a differing lang. maybe hold the thought to later. Does it bother you if folks whisper in front of you?
    Ah. Well, that's a bit of a different matter. Being so poor with the language that you can't deal with buying something is pretty bad. Like I said, I won't even go somewhere as a tourist knowing that little.

    Does it bother me? No. It's petty. Other people acting petty is their problem, not mine.

    But more than likely, they were saying something perfectly mundane.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    I gotta disagree, playdrive.

    I won't even go to foreign countries as a TOURIST if I don't speak at least a little of their language. It's rude. I don't go to other people's countries and tell them to speak my language. And if I did, the people of that country would be justified in calling me rude - in their native tongue, at that.

    Belgium has 3 official languages, and I learned a bit of all of them before I went just to be safe. I didn't learn a ton, but enough that I could get around, ask for food, help, directions, etc, and at least show them I was trying. And I wasn't even living there - I was just passing through. It's courtesy.

    And just to be clear, I am not a language guru. I'm actually terrible at learning new languages, and I've forgotten everything I learned except a bit of German, since it's the most similar to English. But I made the effort, because I try to be polite.

    To me, it's even the same of different versions of English. When I was working in New Zealand, I wrote my CV using THEIR spellings and replacement words ("flat" instead of "apartment" and the like). Because I'm in THEIR country. And while it may be spelled "color" where I'm from, it's "colour" in New Zealand and the American spelling is wrong. If I'm going to live in their country and ask their employers to hire me, I am not going to expect them to make exceptions for me. They were nice enough to let me live in their country.

    And while it may be true we don't legally have an "official" language, everyone knows we speak English. Japan doesn't have an "official" language either, but don't try to tell me you'd go to Japan and expect them to speak English, or Spanish for that matter. My grandmother moved to this country as an adult, and while her English may not be great, she did learn it, because she is living in an English-speaking country.

    Speak whatever language you want to your friends and family. But if you want to function in our society, yeah, you have to speak English. What's so terrible about that?
    When I go to other countries, I speak their language as well. However, in the United States, every citizen is a citizen regardless of the language they speak. The problem is that people are talking about this guy like he's some newcomer who's being disrespectful in OUR country. Unfortunately, this is as much his country as it is our country - he's lived here for 23 years, he's contributed to it and I assume he's a citizen at this point. Him speaking Spanish would be disrespectful if he wasn't talking to HIS government. However, it is, in fact, HIS government. The government he pays taxes to and the government who hasn't made English an official language. As far as I'm concerned, Spanish is as American as English. In France, English is clearly not as French as...French. That's the difference and for a senator to be insulted by someone using an American language (particularly with a translator) is still ridiculous to me.

    Learning English is practical, but speaking Spanish isn't disrespectful. It's only disrespectful to English speaking citizens who think the United States is their territory and that the government should only cater to English speaking citizens.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Also I find we (as a nation) have soo many things that devide us, having one lang. would trruly help in communications. For example the Germans have a word "Schadenfreude" which the English lang. has no translation word for.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    When I go to other countries, I speak their language as well. However, in the United States, every citizen is a citizen regardless of the language they speak. The problem is that people are talking about this guy like he's some newcomer who's being disrespectful in OUR country. Unfortunately, this is as much his country as it is our country - he's lived here for 23 years, he's contributed to it and I assume he's a citizen at this point. Him speaking Spanish would be disrespectful if he wasn't talking to HIS government. However, it is, in fact, HIS government. The government he pays taxes to and the government who hasn't made English an official language. As far as I'm concerned, Spanish is as American as English. In France, English is clearly not as French as...French. That's the difference and for a senator to be insulted by someone using an American language (particularly with a translator) is still ridiculous to me.

    Learning English is practical, but speaking Spanish isn't disrespectful. It's only disrespectful to English speaking citizens who think the United States is their territory and that the government should only cater to English speaking citizens.
    Like I said, would you go to Japan not knowing a word of Japanese and expect them to accomodate you without thinking you're at least a little rude? Japanese is not their "official" language - they don't have one.

    His government speaks English, so does almost everyone in this country, and he damn well knows it. What he did was incredibly rude. I would crawl under a rock and die before I'd do something like that.

    Spanish is not as American as English. It is spoken by a minority. It's not a tiny minority, I'll grant you, but if Spanish is so "American," then why do immigrants learn English instead of Spanish? Why do most people in this country who speak Spanish... also speak English?

    It's very simple. If you don't know English, you can't function in our society. Why? Because everyone speaks English.

    The fact that it isn't a matter of law doesn't make it any less ludicrous. It's like saying that because no one has bothered to ban riding camels down the highway that someone from Saudi Arabia should be allowed to hold up traffic by riding their camel down 494.
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