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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Doesn't it upset you that what he was there to actually talk about got lost in this ridiculous little sideshow? That senator would have been much better served challenging the pro-illegal arguments the guy was there to defend than to throw a little temper tantrum over what language was being spoken.
    senator made a point and pablo espanol didn't get to read his pro illegal propaganda
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I have to disagree with you on that. First, I think that there are just as many multi-language countries as there are single-language ones, if not more. And I think those who experience major social and/or political problems as a result of multi-lingualism are the minority. I actually can't think of a single one other than Belgium. So you're gonna have to help me out here with concrete examples.
    It's created a lot of ill feeling in Canada between the French and English.

    In fact, as we know, it is not a difference between French and English, as is often claimed in Quebec, but between French speakers and English speakers.

    Those in Quebec who were raised speaking only French don't feel any less of a Quebecois when they learn English. It does offer them greater opportunity though. to communicate with a broader variety of people, and those who have taken the time to learn English understand that.

    Politicians, and those with disruptive political ambitions of any sort, will often use language as a metaphor for other grievances, real or imagined. Politicians will also often speak one point of view in one language and quite a different view in another language, as we have seen in Quebec and we see, even today, in the Middle East. I'm confident it also happens elsewhere.

    People, no matter their backgrounds, need a common language with which to communicate. Their second language or culture is less important.

    This fellow was probably trying to make the point, as they have similarly done in Canada, that it is Spanish speaking people against the English speaking people, which is false.

    Language is a means of communicating, which this fellow on the stand should have been doing, and it should not be used as a political tool.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Language is greatly unifying though, and it's one of the key factors in the us/them equation.
    I guess that's true, but humans who speak the same language still figure out a way to create all sorts of "us/them" situations that can often be more insurmountable than any language barrier.

    Case in point: Any controversial, gotta take a side debate her at DP.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's created a lot of ill feeling in Canada between the French and English.

    In fact, as we know, it is not a difference between French and English, as is often claimed in Quebec, but between French speakers and English speakers.

    Those in Quebec who were raised speaking only French don't feel any less of a Quebecois when they learn English. It does offer them greater opportunity though. to communicate with a broader variety of people, and those who have taken the time to learn English understand that.

    Politicians, and those with disruptive political ambitions of any sort, will often use language as a metaphor for other grievances, real or imagined. Politicians will also often speak one point of view in one language and quite a different view in another language, as we have seen in Quebec and we see, even today, in the Middle East. I'm confident it also happens elsewhere.

    People, no matter their backgrounds, need a common language with which to communicate. Their second language or culture is less important.

    This fellow was probably trying to make the point, as they have similarly done in Canada, that it is Spanish speaking people against the English speaking people, which is false.

    Language is a means of communicating, which this fellow on the stand should have been doing, and it should not be used as a political tool.
    And yet every time there was a vote, the majority of Quebecois did not want to separate from Canada.

    I'm not sure if this guy was trying to make a point or if he was truly self-conscious about his English. All I know is that in his situation, I would feel more comfortable with a professional interpreter by my side, just in case.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The senator is a douche. We don't have an official language in the United States, he can speak in whatever language he wants and he feels more comfortable speaking in Spanish, then whatever. People need to stop getting "insulted" when others speak another language.
    He was speaking to a comittee all of whom spoke English and I doubt if any spoke Spanish. It was insulting, rude and grandstanding for the man to speak Spanish if he was capable of speaking English.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    He was speaking to a comittee all of whom spoke English and I doubt if any spoke Spanish. It was insulting, rude and grandstanding for the man to speak Spanish if he was capable of speaking English.
    Only if you choose to be insulted.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Only if you choose to be insulted.
    I think he would be insulted if the committee decided to answer him in German.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    I think he would be insulted if the committee decided to answer him in German.
    What does that have to with anything?

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    What does that have to with anything?
    Well, why shouldn't they speak whatever language they are comfortable with? :P

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    I think he would be insulted if the committee decided to answer him in German.
    If they showed him the same courtesy he showed them and used an interpreter he would have no valid reason in the world to feel insulted.
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