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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    but I would think you would find a large majority have various problems amongst the different linguistic-cultural groups of the country...
    I have to disagree with you on that. First, I think that there are just as many multi-language countries as there are single-language ones, if not more. And I think those who experience major social and/or political problems as a result of multi-lingualism are the minority. I actually can't think of a single one other than Belgium. So you're gonna have to help me out here with concrete examples.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I have to disagree with you on that. First, I think that there are just as many multi-language countries as there are single-language ones, if not more. And I think those who experience major social and/or political problems as a result of multi-lingualism are the minority. I actually can't think of a single one other than Belgium. So you're gonna have to help me out here with concrete examples.
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    The only thing disappearing faster than species (biodiversity) are languages (sociodiversity). I'll learn kiembu (primarily to speak to the soil) and then kikiku and kiswahili to speak to the people.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Most countries in Africa, India, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Thailand, Burma and many, many more...
    That doesn't tell me anything, ludahai. Please list the specific serious political or social problems that resulted from multi-lingualism in these countries. The only government that actually shut down because of it, that I know of, is Belgium. I'm more familiar with Africa than Asia and I don't agree that the problems there are because of the various languages, but because of tribalism and religious strife. It may be different in Asia, though.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that's why we are having this discussion. you guys just can't/won't see the point. it's really not about him speaking spanish.

    as for grandma...if she'd been using a keyboard for twenty three years and was still useless at it, the she is a dumbass or hasn't been trying to learn

    this guy has been speaking english for TWENTY THREE YEARS
    Try this on for size:

    I've been speaking German for 25 years and there is no way in hell that I can comfortably testify in front of any official body without an interpreter by my side to make sure I'm not messing up my words. There is not one politician in my country that would fault me for bringing a translator along.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The guy spoke and understood English fluently. He was making a point, and the point he was making is that even though he chose to leave his country of origin and chose to become an American, he did not choose to become a part of the melting pot that is American culture. Instead, he wants America to conform to the culture of his country of origin. As far as the "speaking from the heart" thing, the dude was reading a speech that was already written down.

    There are probably a hundred languages spoken in America by immigrants from around the world. Why is it that a single language, Spanish, should be elevated to the point where there are almost as many radio and tv programs in that language as there are in English? There is little incentive for the hispanic community to learn English, because everything they need is available in Spanish. That forms a core separation between them and the rest of America, and that core separation will eventually lead to resentment. When one walks into a restaurant or a retail establishment on American soil, it's not unreasonable to expect those who work there to speak English so that they can communicate with their customers, yet in all too many places throughout the country this is not the case. It is incredibly frustrating to ask a clerk or a server a question about the product or establishment, only to be met with "No habla English."

    Now I wouldn't have been particularly ticked off at the guy shown in the OP if he wasn't introducing himself as a hispanic activist... he did not identify himself as an American, and to me that's a problem... then proceed to rattle off in Spanish opposition to a proposed law that he believed would harm hispanics. America cannot be a melting pot when 40 million folks have decided to rope themselves off from the rest of the country, and consider themselves only Hispanic rather than American. That's happening far too often amongst Latino activists, and I don't see it as a positive thing for the country as a whole.
    I think you've pretty much answered your question there, Di. And I think that 40 million figure is a very conservative one.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    What we need in this country is to make English the official language. We also need to eliminate ESL and teach children using the english immersion method. I am fed up with illegals demanding rights in our country. They have no right to be here in the first place.
    Now THIS, I actually agree with. THIS is what you all should be focusing on, not whatever freaking language he chose to speak in. This man is standing up for people who break the law every day they are on US soil. The problem with this guy is NOT that he speaks Spanish better than English after 2 decades in the country, it's that he's willing to stand against a law that would make it easier to adress the problem of illegal immigration.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Try this on for size:

    I've been speaking German for 25 years and there is no way in hell that I can comfortably testify in front of any official body without an interpreter by my side to make sure I'm not messing up my words. There is not one politician in my country that would fault me for bringing a translator along.
    have you been living in germany for 25 years, hearing and speaking it on a daily basis?
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    That doesn't tell me anything, ludahai. Please list the specific serious political or social problems that resulted from multi-lingualism in these countries. The only government that actually shut down because of it, that I know of, is Belgium. I'm more familiar with Africa than Asia and I don't agree that the problems there are because of the various languages, but because of tribalism and religious strife. It may be different in Asia, though.
    You aren't familiar with the long civil war in Sri Lanka? You aren't familiar with the various rebellions in Burma and India? You don't know about the problems in Indonesia? Well, doing into a prolonged discussion of them is beyond the scope of this thread.

    Ummm... tribalism in Africa... isn't that due to the lack of a national identity and not sharing a culture and language???
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    have you been living in germany for 25 years, hearing and speaking it on a daily basis?
    I heard and spoke it every day for 7 years while living in Zurich and still use it on a daily basis for my job here in Geneva.
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