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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    So then what's the point? Do you now agree with it because your friend said it?
    Yes. She talked to me, and helped me reason things out as opposed to what went on in this thread. She's a brilliant woman. She used to be a teacher. And lest you read it wrong, I'm the one who figured it out based on her input.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Yes. She talked to me, and helped me reason things out as opposed to what went on in this thread. She's a brilliant woman. She used to be a teacher. And lest you read it wrong, I'm the one who figured it out based on her input.
    fantastic.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    This has been the exact same argument being made in this thread the entire time.
    and it fails at the core. if you have been speaking a language for 23 years and you still cannot speak it from the heart, you have no business testifying in front of any official body
    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Come into my house, and if I think you are being rude by not speaking the language, you're gonna here it. The insult was by the Mexican, not the board member.

    Quit all the liberal whining.
    He's an American, not Mexican.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and it fails at the core. if you have been speaking a language for 23 years and you still cannot speak it from the heart, you have no business testifying in front of any official body
    your black and white way of seeing things is not an accurate reflection of reality.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and it fails at the core. if you have been speaking a language for 23 years and you still cannot speak it from the heart, you have no business testifying in front of any official body
    That's a bunch of crap. Anybody with a legal citizenship has the right to address those who were elected to represent their interests. This fellow used a tool to help him express himself better, nothing more. Until English is the official language in law, nobody has any business telling this guy what language he has to speak, especially when he had a way to make himself understood.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    That's a bunch of crap. Anybody with a legal citizenship has the right to address those who were elected to represent their interests. This fellow used a tool to help him express himself better, nothing more. Until English is the official language in law, nobody has any business telling this guy what language he has to speak, especially when he had a way to make himself understood.
    there is a difference between "having a right to" and "being qualified to". if you have been in the US for 23 years and can't speak english well enough to speak it in front of a committee, you are not qualified (due to lack of intelligence or effort) to speak, no matter what your "rights" are.


    it comes down to the fact that this guy has been in the US twenty freakin three years. if he isn't comfortable speaking english after twenty freakin three years, then he is either a dumb **** or he has put zero effort into assimilating into the culture. in either case, his opinion is worth bupkiss
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    there is a difference between "having a right to" and "being qualified to". if you have been in the US for 23 years and can't speak english well enough to speak it in front of a committee, you are not qualified (due to lack of intelligence or effort) to speak, no matter what your "rights" are.
    That is why he brought an interpreter. The senator cut him off while he was speaking Spanish to make a stupid point. The guy came prepared to have the discussion take place via English.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    it comes down to the fact that this guy has been in the US twenty freakin three years. if he isn't comfortable speaking english after twenty freakin three years, then he is either a dumb **** or he has put zero effort into assimilating into the culture. in either case, his opinion is worth bupkiss
    That's a silly reason to not consider what he has to say but you're entitled to do what you want. We don't really know the reasons why he can't speak English, and and it doesn't matter. He was representing his community as a leader. That was what made him qualified to be speaking.

    The senator debased the whole thing by trying to make him look like a stupid and ignorant immigrant, and that's because the senator doesn't actually give a damn what the guy has to say.

    You only flip off your opponents in this way if you have no real interest in taking what they have to say seriously. I'm so glad that our democratic process has remained open and communicative!

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and it fails at the core. if you have been speaking a language for 23 years and you still cannot speak it from the heart, you have no business testifying in front of any official body
    I really fail to see how the two are even relevant.

    There are plenty of social reasons for why someone might not speak English well after spending so much time in this country, first and foremost is, they've simply never been forced to, and have been able to get by without. Perhaps he socializes most with immigrant populations who speak Spanish on a regular basis. There are a host of other potential explanations for this. I said it before and I'll say it again, to get a stick up your ass over something as trivial as this is about as dumb as getting angry at Grandma for not knowing how to use a keyboard.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I really fail to see how the two are even relevant.

    There are plenty of social reasons for why someone might not speak English well after spending so much time in this country, first and foremost is, they've simply never been forced to, and have been able to get by without. Perhaps he socializes most with immigrant populations who speak Spanish on a regular basis. There are a host of other potential explanations for this. I said it before and I'll say it again, to get a stick up your ass over something as trivial as this is about as dumb as getting angry at Grandma for not knowing how to use a keyboard.
    that's why we are having this discussion. you guys just can't/won't see the point. it's really not about him speaking spanish.

    as for grandma...if she'd been using a keyboard for twenty three years and was still useless at it, the she is a dumbass or hasn't been trying to learn

    this guy has been speaking english for TWENTY THREE YEARS
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