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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    But it's not. And he's not making other people learn Spanish. The dude had a translator.
    Just seems odd to me. 23 years?

    He can’t be any worse than Ozzie Guillen, and I can understand Ozzie-speak without a translator

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Just seems odd to me. 23 years?

    He can’t be any worse than Ozzie Guillen, and I can understand Ozzie-speak without a translator
    It was a political stunt, and it backfired when he got called out for it.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Just seems odd to me. 23 years?

    He can’t be any worse than Ozzie Guillen, and I can understand Ozzie-speak without a translator
    I think the following posts illustrate the point I was trying to make, in response to your post #217

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I have no problem believing it. I was an expat brat most of my childhood, my whole teens and part of my adulthood. I've seen people not even bother to learn the local language no matter hjow long they'd been in the country. My mother has many Swiss, German and Dutch neighbors in Spain who have been living there for 10 to 15 years who don't speak a word of Spanish. I know countless Americans and British expats who live here in Switzerland and speak none of the local languages. Again many of them have been here over 10 years.

    The thing is, if people can get by without learning the language and can function reasonably well without it, they simply won't learn it.
    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    For the most part, I believe that proficiency in the English language on the part of immigrants more a function of choice, and perhaps mental acuity, than one of time spent in the country. For instance, both of my parents are immigrants to this country (from Taiwan). My dad has been here for about 26 years, my mother has been here slightly less, about 24. My mother's English is drastically better than my father's. I'm not sure why, but I suspect it also has something to do with the fact that my dad just doesn't know when his pronunciation really sucks so he doesn't know how to improve his English because he just resorts to the same bad pronunciations every time I try to correct him.
    I don't believe it was a political stunt, and I don't believe he was trying to make a statement.

    If he was more comfortable expressing himself in Spanish, I have no problem with that. That's what we have translators for. It's not just about what the audience can comprehend, it's also about he effectively he thought he could communicate in English, to which the answer is apparently "not very."
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 06-18-11 at 04:54 PM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It was a political stunt, and it backfired when he got called out for it.
    1) You have no evidence of that.

    2) If it were, it would have been a dumb move on his part. IIRC, he was trying to testify AGAINST anti-illegal legislation. Doesn't really help your case to try and piss off the people you're trying to gain empathy or compassion from.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Just seems odd to me. 23 years?

    He can’t be any worse than Ozzie Guillen, and I can understand Ozzie-speak without a translator
    that's the kicker. the guy has been here 23 freakin years. if he isn't comfortable speaking english in front of people by now he either

    1. has made no effort to assimilate into american culture and therefore his opinion means dick

    2. he has made an effort but he is just dumb as **** and therefore his opinion means dick

    3. he did this as some kind of stunt to make a political statement and therefore his opinion means dick
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that's the kicker. the guy has been here 23 freakin years. if he isn't comfortable speaking english in front of people by now he either

    1. has made no effort to assimilate into american culture and therefore his opinion means dick

    2. he has made an effort but he is just dumb as **** and therefore his opinion means dick

    3. he did this as some kind of stunt to make a political statement and therefore his opinion means dick
    The only rationale for dismissing his opinion as worthless is if it was irrelevant to the issue at hand. All other reasons for dismissing this man's opinions are bull****. What language he chose or didn't choose to speak in should have no bearing on the significance of his testimony, and anyone who thinks that this man's opinion is worthless simply because he spoke Spanish needs to have their head examined.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 06-18-11 at 05:03 PM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    1) You have no evidence of that.

    2) If it were, it would have been a dumb move on his part. IIRC, he was trying to testify AGAINST anti-illegal legislation. Doesn't really help your case to try and piss off the people you're trying to gain empathy or compassion from.
    see #2... he is dumb as ****
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The only rationale for dismissing his opinion as worthless is if it was irrelevant to the issue at hand. All other reasons for dismissing this man's opinions are bull****. What language he chose or didn't choose to speak in should have no bearing on the significance of his testimony, and anyone who thinks that this man's opinion is worthless simply because he spoke Spanish needs to have their head examined.
    anyone who thinks I said his opinion is worthless because he spoke spanish is a retard
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think the following posts illustrate the point I was trying to make, in response to your post #217
    Oh, I understand. As is painfully obvious here, there’s a correlation between effort and result.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    i stand corrected.

    Nevertheless I see no necessity for such a move.
    Noted. I am not stating it as a "necessity". Clearly that committee had no specific protocol, and as such, at least one member was surprised at how things transpired. While I am stretching it to make a point, what if the entity testifying felt "most comfortable" speaking in Swahili, with a translator naturally ? What is to stop it if the members of the Committee feel it inappropriate ?

    With what happened here, I can certainly understand members wanting to question the one testifying about the manner of their testimony. I can understand more than one thinking it was a bit of a stunt or statement that they wanted to take issue with. Then let them vote as to how they will hear it, if at all.

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