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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The guy speaks English, you hear him in the video, he's a immigrant rights activist trying to show he'll make a stand. The Senator was spot on.
    The way I see it, when in Rome, do as the Romans do.. He's been in the states for 23 years and still is crippling himself by using the language that he feels more comfortable with. Give me a break. He can speak english. Maybe not well. But that's because he isn't trying to use it. He's making others learn spanish in order to understand what he is saying. Anyway, since he's been here that long, he could've picked up a lot of English just from being out in the public, dealing with those that do speak it, to have learned it well enough. No one is saying to any immigrant to learn English well. Only to learn it. It's the language of America. Time for those that can't speak it to deal with it and come out of their boxes and learn it. This is America. And our official language is English. Kudos to that senator for speaking up about it. And it comes as no surprise that yet another politician piped up enabling the one who was in the wrong. Go friggin' figure.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Binky View Post
    The way I see it, when in Rome, do as the Romans do.. He's been in the states for 23 years and still is crippling himself by using the language that he feels more comfortable with. Give me a break. He can speak english. Maybe not well. But that's because he isn't trying to use it. He's making others learn spanish in order to understand what he is saying. Anyway, since he's been here that long, he could've picked up a lot of English just from being out in the public, dealing with those that do speak it, to have learned it well enough. No one is saying to any immigrant to learn English well. Only to learn it. It's the language of America. Time for those that can't speak it to deal with it and come out of their boxes and learn it. This is America. And our official language is English.
    But it's not. And he's not making other people learn Spanish. The dude had a translator.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Great. Again, we don't have an official language here, he can speak whatever language he wants.
    Sure, he can speak whatever language he wants and he only has himself to blame when he doesn't get his way, because no one knows what the hell he talking about.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sure, he can speak whatever language he wants and he only has himself to blame when he doesn't get his way, because no one knows what the hell he talking about.
    He had a ****ing translator.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Binky View Post
    The way I see it, when in Rome, do as the Romans do.. He's been in the states for 23 years and still is crippling himself by using the language that he feels more comfortable with. Give me a break. He can speak english. Maybe not well. But that's because he isn't trying to use it. He's making others learn spanish in order to understand what he is saying. Anyway, since he's been here that long, he could've picked up a lot of English just from being out in the public, dealing with those that do speak it, to have learned it well enough. No one is saying to any immigrant to learn English well. Only to learn it. It's the language of America. Time for those that can't speak it to deal with it and come out of their boxes and learn it. This is America. And our official language is English. Kudos to that senator for speaking up about it. And it comes as no surprise that yet another politician piped up enabling the one who was in the wrong. Go friggin' figure.
    while the country has no official langurage, english is the most widely spoken, and if this gentleman was able to speak it, he should have....if i moved to another country, and the local language was not english, i would feel that i should learn, or attempt to learn enough of the local language to at least be able to get by.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    This thread is so ****ing full of "populism over pragmatism."

    Have fun trying to understand broken English and thick accents.
    Bull****. Pragmatism my ass. First off, via a translator, there is also opportunity for confusion. But more importantly, the opinion can be expressed in writing, or at least those listening can decide whether they are able to understand the "broken English". You present it as "translator or broken English". Those are not the only two possibilities, are they ? What determination was made that they are ?

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Why do you want to put translators out of work? Isn't your unemployment rate high enough as it is?
    LOL .. I don't think translators will be put out of work. However, as our President just blamed ATM's for high unemployment, I guess it depends on who you are talking to

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Bull****. Pragmatism my ass. First off, via a translator, there is also opportunity for confusion. But more importantly, the opinion can be expressed in writing, or at least those listening can decide whether they are able to understand the "broken English". You present it as "translator or broken English". Those are not the only two possibilities, are they ? What determination was made that they are ?
    You made the assertion that ANYONE testifying should be made to speak English. Therefore you open yourself up to a hell of a lot more problems than you're trying to solve. If the choice is between "translator who can definitely speak English," or "immigrant who may or may not speak English well," I'm choosing the translator every time.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 06-18-11 at 04:41 PM.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You made the assertion that ANYONE testifying should be made to speak English. Therefore you open yourself up to a hell of a lot more problems than you're trying to solve.
    No I did not. I made the assertion that those on the Committee would decide if they could understand the English as spoken by the one giving testimony. Or if they wanted to hear it in a different language, or not at all. Read again.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    No I did not. I made the assertion that those on the Committee would decide if they could understand the English as spoken by the one giving testimony. Or if they wanted to hear it in a different language, or not at all. Read again.
    i stand corrected.

    Nevertheless I see no necessity for such a move.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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